jrmckinley

For those who converted from a 430 to the 460, is there anything you miss about the 430? Or has it been a transition where you never look back?

UZ214

Interior and the silky smooth engine

R Z

Nothing against the 430, but other the the 5 spoke wheels, not a thing.

Dr. Jekyll

iTrader: (1)

I actually miss the smaller storage beneath the radio as the LS460 lacks small storage.

Ears

I miss the... 1) smoother ride of my 430; 2) the quieter ride of the 430; 3) the fit and finish of the 430 and; 4) the motorized sweep of the ac vents.

sayow

I will tell you one thing I DO NOT miss... the timing belt! No idea why car companies use belts instead of chains other than to save 20 bucks a car...

SW17LS

They're quieter. At idle the engine in the 460 is definitely louder than the 430, two reasons, 1. the direct injection, and 2. the timing chain.

Thats why Lexus used timing belts for so long.

AznRacer

iTrader: (2)

Only thing I miss was the quieter engine

sayow

Well they switched for a reason... they build a near bulletproof and dare i say legendary/hall of fame engine that can - literally - go 500k miles or more in the 1UZFE and its siblings... and then hamstring its longevity with a belt on an interference engine (Gen 2+) that can snap and bend every valve in it.

While I understand it is an owner maintenance issue, the fact is most cannot do it themselves and 1500-2500 dollars of maintenance work every 90k miles is ridiculous at worst and not palatable for most at best. That would be over 10 grand to maintain the belt and waterpump alone for a car to reach its longevity potential... hence lots of trashed LS400s out there, sadly.

R Z

Oh wait, there is one thing I miss. I miss those awesome hidden storage compartments under the front seats. Those things were absolutely the best. The 460 needed a few more hidden compartments. Or . . . maybe the 460 has them hidden so well, we haven't found them?

SW17LS

They switched to a timing chain finally to remove the maintenance issue for the owner. The timing belt job doesn't have to be $1,500-2,500. My independent mechanic does it for about $800. He did my LS400, LS430 and ES300.

I'm not saying I preferred the chain, I understand why and I think it's a worthy trade off. I'm just telling you why they stuck with the belt for so long. The vast majority of buyers do not keep the car long enough to even change it once, let alone enough to change it to the tune of $10k.

comotiger

LOL! Those spaces under the front seats are taken up by the fans used for ventilating the seats. I greatly appreciate the cooling feature on long drives.

seanl

I went from a '97 LS400 to a '12 LS460, skipping the LS430 completely so I missed out on the '430 ownership experience!

comotiger

Going off on a tangent here, but I am intrigued by the introduction of active noise cancellation systems in cars to reduce road (and engine?) noise. Has anyone been in vehicles with these features? Are they effective?

SW17LS

It's very similar to the LS400...and the LS460 is very similar to that.

Having had all 3....the cars are very similar, the way people get all worked up comparing them is funny to me for that reason.