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Old 01-22-11, 04:43 PM
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I do my own oil changes. It takes less than 15 minutes. I buy the filters online and I buy the oil at Walmart. So far so good. As soon as it get warm I will do rear diff and trans flush.
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Originally Posted by StanVanDam
My 88000km Lubrication Service yesterday was $48.84 after tax.

I found the only Toyota dealership in my region that is allowed to work on a Lexus, and it is worth the 30min drive there. I am VERY satisfied with the service and price.

My appointment was for 1pm and I arrived at exactly 1pm. They had a big comfy leather couch and free Wi-Fi so I got some work done on my laptop while the service was being performed. I drove out of there at exactly 2pm. I am sure they drained as much of the old oil as they could.

They used the 90915-20004 oil filter that I provided, filled exactly 4.5L of 5W-30 Toyota Genuine Motor Oil as I requested (and specified in the manual), gave me the 0.5L remaining from the 5th bottle (which I didn't expect), and charged me the Toyota ExpressLube price (which I was hoping for).

Toyota Labor: $79.95/hr * 0.30 hours
TGMO: 4.69/L = $23.45
Oil drain plug gasket: $0.80
Silicone grease: $0.85
Lubricated all locks, latchs, hinges
Inspected engine air filter, drive belts, tire wear and pressure, all fluids
No environmental fees
Did not rotate tires, did not wash the car

My prior 2 (and only 2) Lexus dealership oil changes were $113 after tax, and they charged for 6L of oil when the specification is 4.5L. This cost would have been higher if I didn't supply my own filter.

It seems that for $64 more, the additional benefits of Lexus service is that they will wash the car after, overfill the oil (or overcharge you), and charge you for fabric protection, disposal, materials, or other silly charges.

Considering it's winter and the car will be dirty within 2 minutes of driving away, and that they would probably put light scratches in the car by using improper tools/techniques, I was glad they didn't wash the car.

Not knocking this dealership - I just don't trust any dealership's courtesy washes or detailers. They normally do everything as fast as possible, reusing shammys, towels, etc, and the job usually isn't performed by a true professional detailer.

Every Lexus appointment I've had (only 4) resulted in an unsatisfactory courtesy clean.

The dealership might be charging for 6L because I believe the ls430 is suppose to take about 5.4 liters even though the manual may say 4.5L.

Might want to check your dipstick to make sure you aren't low.
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Got the Jug of Mobile 1 from Walmart for $22, Filter from Toyota for $6.00 and gave my Infiniti dealership $20 to change the oil. Total of $48.00.
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...and rotate and wax the tires...? Some of you guys must be in way better shape than I am, or a lot younger, I'm 55. I am in decent shape but I can tell you just jacking up the LS and dismounting and remounting two tires on the LS to check the brake pads absolutely wears me out for the day. The 17 inch chunky tires and wheels on the LS feel like they weigh 75 lbs a piece. Remounting them on the hub and getting the bolts back on is a bear. Maybe its cause i am old but those LS wheels feel way bigger and heavier than the 14 inch wheels/tires I used to change with np on my 79 Grand Prix back when I was in my mid 20s. Also those old style wheels were so much easier because they were mounted with nuts that screwed onto studs mounted on the hub, unlike the Lexus wheels which are much harder to mount without the help of studs mounted on the wheel hub.

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@Jabberwock. Ramp or Mighty Vac. Either Works well
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I pay $17.98 for oil and filter at a neighborhood drive through place. 2005 LS with 103,800 miles.
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Originally Posted by Jabberwock
...and rotate and wax the tires...? Some of you guys must be in way better shape than I am, or a lot younger, I'm 55. I am in decent shape but I can tell you just jacking up the LS and dismounting and remounting two tires on the LS to check the brake pads absolutely wears me out for the day. The 17 inch chunky tires and wheels on the LS feel like they weigh 75 lbs a piece. Remounting them on the hub and getting the bolts back on is a bear. Maybe its cause i am old but those LS wheels feel way bigger and heavier than the 14 inch wheels/tires I used to change with np on my 79 Grand Prix back when I was in my mid 20s. Also those old style wheels were so much easier because they were mounted with nuts that screwed onto studs mounted on the hub, unlike the Lexus wheels which are much harder to mount without the help of studs mounted on the wheel hub.
I don't do any of the tire rotation either. But, I must admit that shortly after getting the car that I took the wheels off and cleaned and waxed the backsides of the wheels (you never know how much imbalance all the crud on the back side of the wheels cause, ha, ha).
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Originally Posted by iskomo
The dealership might be charging for 6L because I believe the ls430 is suppose to take about 5.4 liters even though the manual may say 4.5L.

Might want to check your dipstick to make sure you aren't low.
I'm curious as to why the manual would have an incorrect specification that is not corrected by a service bulletin.

Drain&refill w/new filter capacity specs:
2006: 5.1L (5.4Qt)
2002-2005: 4.5L (4.8Qt)
2001: 5.6L (5.9Qt)

I'm also curious as to why the capacity spec is different for 2001 and 2006. Anyone have any insight? Did they change the design of the oil pan or something?
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Originally Posted by StanVanDam
I'm curious as to why the manual would have an incorrect specification that is not corrected by a service bulletin.

Drain&refill w/new filter capacity specs:
2006: 5.1L (5.4Qt)
2002-2005: 4.5L (4.8Qt)
2001: 5.6L (5.9Qt)

I'm also curious as to why the capacity spec is different for 2001 and 2006. Anyone have any insight? Did they change the design of the oil pan or something?
Hmmm, interesting. I would have thought the LS series would be the same from 01-06. I know on my 03 GS 430 (same engine), the spec is 5.5qt. I just did the oil on my 06 LS and did notice the oil pan is different from the GS, so that may account for the missing .1 quart. If the above specs are a mistake from Lexus rather shocking they did not correct it.
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Originally Posted by StanVanDam
I'm curious as to why the manual would have an incorrect specification that is not corrected by a service bulletin.

Drain&refill w/new filter capacity specs:
2006: 5.1L (5.4Qt)
2002-2005: 4.5L (4.8Qt)
2001: 5.6L (5.9Qt)

I'm also curious as to why the capacity spec is different for 2001 and 2006. Anyone have any insight? Did they change the design of the oil pan or something?
BNR34 posted that the service manual says 5.4L while the owner's manual states 4.8L in this post.https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls4...-how-to-2.html
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Originally Posted by iskomo
BNR34 posted that the service manual says 5.4L while the owner's manual states 4.8L in this post.https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls4...-how-to-2.html
You are confusing quarts and litres, which happened before in thread https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ls4...be-common.html

2002-2005 owner's manuals and service manuals say 4.5L, which is equal to 4.8Qt. The only 5.4 mentioned in the manuals is 5.4 Imp. qts for a dry fill.

I suppose the question is, do you trust the service manuals or do you trust a dipstick? I can't see why the book would be wrong (and if it is, can someone provide proof?), and I think the dipstick is a more likely source of inaccuracy. Since TGMO comes in 1L bottles, filling exactly 4.5 is easy. If you use quart bottles, I'm sure overfilling by 0.2 quarts won't be too harmful.
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It is also interesting to note that the manual states that it takes 1.6 qt to raise the level on the dipstick from the low level mark to the full level mark.
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I do my own oil changes and my 05 takes 5.5 quarts with filter. Since the oil drain plug is on the far end of the oil pan on the passenger side, I drive only the front drivers side up onto a ramp. So I'm getting a pretty thorough dump of all the oil in the pan.
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Originally Posted by StanVanDam
... I suppose the question is, do you trust the service manuals or do you trust a dipstick? I can't see why the book would be wrong (and if it is, can someone provide proof?), and I think the dipstick is a more likely source of inaccuracy...
Good point, if the two are not consistent, then which do you trust? Seems strange that 2001, then 2002-2005, and 2006 are all different quarts.

If I got with my dipstick, 5 quarts goes right up to the middle of hash, with a filter change (OEM Toyota filter). I don't bother to open another quart to fill in the remaining 1/2 to bring up to "full" as the engine is not leaking. Once it starts leaking, then I'll fill to full as I then would be topping off every so often.
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My car took spot on 5 LITRES of oil including filter change when I last changed it. 5L would equal 5.5 US Quarts.

Cost me $50AUD for a 5L bottle of penrite 10w40 plus ten,and a Ryco oil filter.
I'm an ex-mechanic,so I have all the tools on hand at home,and do 99% of the work on my cars. Only stuff I farm out is paintwork and wheel alignments.


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