Stock UL's crooked, un-level stance pics thread.
05-12-09, 10:53 AM
#31
My car did the opposite. Even after I adjusted my sensors to make it sit all even most of the time, right after I pulled into the garage, the car sit all even most of the time, but if I let it idle sitting there, a lot of time the air pump would start going after it idle for 30 seconds and pump up the driver side front strut to make it lean, I hated it. So I shut off the car to prevent that from happening.
The lean is a huge reason why I got rid of the air suspension, now my car never lean
05-12-09, 11:00 AM
#32
I can see the backs being lower, but when you say "lean" to the pass. side, then providing pictures of corner shots is not going to give proper perspective and angle. I can give you corner pictures of my CL that looks like it's leaning. It's just picture distortion. Anything straight on front, or straight on back, taken at eye level to the rear that we can see?
Again, I'm not questioning anyone that says it leans, but like you've said, we need the UL people here to speak up and say this is a problem. Thus far, not many speakers in the house. Plus, for Lexus to admit anything, there has to be a larger audience to voice the complaint, or it's just preaching to the choir for you UL owners that have the problem.
05-12-09, 04:15 PM
#34
Just picture and illusion
No, it's just photos are 2-d and they create optical illusions when viewed. Take a look at this stock photo of my LS. Looks to be leaning, but it doesn't and it's a CL.
05-12-09, 04:21 PM
#35
Also, design flaw or problem/defect is purely semantics. If a car is suppose to sit level and it's designed and built to sit level but it ends up leaning to one side, it's defective. Let's say your house leans like the Tower of Pisa, it's not toppling over sure, but it still leans right? Is this a defect or a design flaw? The tower wasn't designed to lean. 
With all this said, if the car DOES NOT lean when running, then I would not have an issue with it because it doesn't add to any improper weight distro (theoretically) as it's moving.
With all this said, if the car DOES NOT lean when running, then I would not have an issue with it because it doesn't add to any improper weight distro (theoretically) as it's moving.
08-22-09, 04:38 PM
#39
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I recently (yesterday) grabbed an '02 LS 430 UL.
At the dealer I noticed the front was WAY high (both sides) and the back was sagging completely (you can see the rear tires leaning in slightly at the top)
This was while set at "normal" ride height. When I set it to "high" absolutely nothing happened... so I set it back. It continued to stay in this stance until today when I took it into the shop to get it looked over before i 100% buy it. When they tested it at the shop, the ride height actually worked......
So I get back in the car and head on out, and notice that the ride height switch appears to no longer be functioning again, except I am now in "gangster lean" mode.. so the front driver's side is jacked all the way up, the passenger front is mid-way, and the rear is slammed.
Is this something a competent lexus dealer should be able to easily resolve?
Also, I took notice of the following post in this thread..
Can anyone provide me more info on the "controller" sojah mentions? Thanks in advance.
At the dealer I noticed the front was WAY high (both sides) and the back was sagging completely (you can see the rear tires leaning in slightly at the top)
This was while set at "normal" ride height. When I set it to "high" absolutely nothing happened... so I set it back. It continued to stay in this stance until today when I took it into the shop to get it looked over before i 100% buy it. When they tested it at the shop, the ride height actually worked......
So I get back in the car and head on out, and notice that the ride height switch appears to no longer be functioning again, except I am now in "gangster lean" mode.. so the front driver's side is jacked all the way up, the passenger front is mid-way, and the rear is slammed.
Is this something a competent lexus dealer should be able to easily resolve?
Also, I took notice of the following post in this thread..
Can anyone provide me more info on the "controller" sojah mentions? Thanks in advance.
08-22-09, 07:25 PM
#40
Lexus Champion
I own an 04 UL and I don't understand the "problem" here. To start with, what is used to judge whether or not the rear is high or low? I chose to define "level" as the horizontal chrome strip that runs from the front to the rear of the car as it defines visually whether or not the car is sitting "level". Others might choose another definition, so I can't see a reasonable way to argue this issue. Just choose what you like.
The lean issue is easily defined. Just measure the vertical height at the center of the wheel to the wheel well cut out (as previously suggested) if you don't trust your visual observation (photos are almost impossible to use as a reference IMO). These measurements from front to rear might be different, depending on your definition of level.
If the car has a lean, take it to the dealer and have them fix it. If something is defective and it can't be adjusted to have no lean, then it is Lexus responsibility to fix it. Surely UL owners would have noticed and had this fixed before the warranty ran out. I suspect that is the reason that you don't see many UL owner entering into this thread. I had my car adjusted after I bought it used with 20K miles and haven't had a problem since (now 52K miles).
Perfectly happy with my air suspension.
The lean issue is easily defined. Just measure the vertical height at the center of the wheel to the wheel well cut out (as previously suggested) if you don't trust your visual observation (photos are almost impossible to use as a reference IMO). These measurements from front to rear might be different, depending on your definition of level.
If the car has a lean, take it to the dealer and have them fix it. If something is defective and it can't be adjusted to have no lean, then it is Lexus responsibility to fix it. Surely UL owners would have noticed and had this fixed before the warranty ran out. I suspect that is the reason that you don't see many UL owner entering into this thread. I had my car adjusted after I bought it used with 20K miles and haven't had a problem since (now 52K miles).
Perfectly happy with my air suspension.
08-23-09, 05:30 PM
#41
Driver School Candidate
I checked mine today and it sits the same side to side front and rear, there is a 1/4" difference front to rear. The car sits pretty high, though, even in normal mode.
02-21-12, 09:58 AM
#42
I was at the dealer yesterday and saw a brand new 2011 LS460L on air suspension that have the same gangstar lean as the LS430 UL. It is not as bad as the 430, but it is definitely still leaning the same way.
So Lexus still haven't solve this problem yet after all these years
So Lexus still haven't solve this problem yet after all these years
02-21-12, 10:30 AM
#44
Lexus Test Driver
I think the problem is that most techs including those at the dealer don't know the proper sequence of adjusting the sensors to get the car level. The other problem is doing adjustments on ground that is not perfectly flat. An alignment rack is flat and is an ideal surface to make adjustments to the suspension. I can't remember exactly what the sequence is but I think it starts with adjusting the front right first, as if it is a "master" adjustment, then fine tune it from the other wheels.
