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for the long run. Funny thing is that all 10 are from Japan, not necessarily built there though . 1. Honda Civic 2. Honda CR-V 3. Honda Element 4. Lexus ES 5. Lexus LS 6. Toyota 4Runner 7. Toyota Highlander 8. Toyota Land Cruiser 9. Toyota Prius 10. Toyota RAV4.

For ****s and giggles, here are the 10 worst vehicles to buy "for the long run," 1. BMW 7 series 2. Infiniti QX56 3. Jaguar S-Type 4. Jaguar X-Type 5. Mercedes M-Class 6. Mercedes SL 7. Nissan Armada 8. Nissan Titan 9. Volkswagen Toureg 10. Volvo XC90.

The front cover of this CR mag jumps out at you with the topic, Make your car last 200,000 miles, pretty interesting.

dario

The first generation GS300 is better built than any ES or LS Lexus.

CK6Speed

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Go figure. All Honda and Toyota built cars on the most reliable list

The BMW 7 series IMHO brought now the entire BMW average practically by itself.

PureDrifter

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ahahh, do you have any empirical proof for this rather bold statement or just think so because u own(ed) one?

TJW98LS

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Not a chance - My first LS (1998) was 180K strong and still drove like it was new. I know a guy with a 95 LS400 that has 315,000 miles on it, and it is still running as good as my 99 with 77,000 miles on it.

dario

Well the first Generation GS is the only Lexus car that is built with mix of italian design (exterior italians are known for styling ferrari, lamborghini, alfa romeo etc.) and japanese techology and 2JZ-GE is a engine with endless posibilities and you know that no LS or ES comes close. That is why when people see well taken care of first Generation GS they think it is like 2003 year because of the sleek italian lines.


Here is what Italdesign Giuigaro has designed besides first generation Lexus GS

Alfa Romeo Alfasud
Aztec - 1988 Convertible
BMW Nazca C2
Bugatti EB118 Concept
Bugatti EB218 Concept
Chevrolet Corvette - 2003 Moray Concept
De Lorean DMC-12
Ferrari GG50
Fiat Grande Punto
Fiat Panda 1980
Fiat Punto 1993
Fiat Sedici
Fiat Uno
Ford Mustang- 1965 Bertone
Lamborghini Cala
Lamborghini Gallardo
Lancia Delta
Lancia Megagamma
Lotus Esprit - 1972 Concept
Maserati 3200 GT
Maserati Coupe
Maserati Quattroporte
Morris Ital
Scighera
Suzuki SX4
SEAT Toledo
Volkswagen Golf
Volkswagen Karmann Ghia
Volkswagen Nardo Concept

PureDrifter

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actually Giugiaro also designed the Toyota Volta

and actually, the 2JZ-GE is nearing its limits, you know as well as I (if u keep up with racing/motor development) the 2jz hasnt seen any NEW advancements a quite a while, most street cars are limited to a top of ~1100hp. even race engines have almost "peaked".

in contrast, the 4.0L 1UZ, 4.7L 2UZ, and 4.3L 3UZ have been developing EXPLOSIVELY in the last few years, with full build parts and cams now available. Many agree that when fully tuned the 1UZ has a higher power limit due to its strong block and 6bolt main caps. the 1UZ also has an obvious displacement advantage and both the 1 and 3 UZ motors are ALUMINUM blocks, making them the same weight or LIGHTER than the 2JZ.

the LS was the GENESIS. keep that in mind, the LS was the ORIGIN on Lexus, without it, Lexus would have been nothing. also, the LS is a MORE reliable car, full stop. No reputable survey has EVER placed the GS above the LS in reliability. this doesnt mean the GS is unreliable, but it isnt in the same place as the LS.

mac6694

^ agreed. Lexus established its reputation for reliability and excellence on the LS400's solid performance and reliable track record.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_L...rical_overview

Here ya go...some good reading material there

Over a billion dollars and five years spent in R&D, and you tell me the GS is hands-down the best?

My opinion is that the LS has been and will continue to be top-of-the-line so far as excellence goes. To counter your statement that many think the older GS is a newer vehicle than ; well, I think we all get that except for perhaps the ES crowd; they haven't aged as gracefully. But my 1st-gen LS is admired all the time, shoddy original paint, stock rims and all. People ask how many miles it has, what year it is, and can't believe its age and mileage. They were expecting something newer.

Now don't get me wrong. So far as sports cars go, it probably is one of the most reliable and well-styled cars made. But development for I-6 engines inevitably hit walls; its the inherent harmonics of the things that make it so hard to find new limits. ( I know, this is a large generality. I'm just basing it one the ones I've seen, though the Japanese inline motors have less trouble with this than do the American-made ones) The aftermarket has done an incredible job with these motors. In the end though, v-style motors are generally more open to growth. I feel there's no point trying to dispute displacement size, as that's far from the most important part of an engine.

Anyways, sorry, I got rambling.

Feel free to expand my horizons friend, I'd like to know if there's more reasoning behind that statement.

dario

I guess you guys are right for every 200th older LS400 there is one older GS300 why be different oh here is the pics that GS300 is very relailable and this pic was taken last year...

PureDrifter

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thats not a "GS" thing, its a "Toyota" thing


RIP 1988 Toyota Camry LE @ ~260,000mi.

skperformance

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I have 250 000km on my 94 ES300
and 320 000km on my LS400
mileage doesn't mean a damn thing as i still see a few Hyundai stellars and pony's every few months.

tuan92129

Well, this study shows the reports for 10 best reliable NEW car, so i don't really see your point.
Also, just because a car has italian looks, and has a good engine, doesn't make it reliable..there a lot more to it than that. I'd have to agree on the 1st gen gs's unique italian design.

TJW98LS

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That's kind of like saying a Ferrari is dependable...that would be an understatement.

All in all, Toyota will Dominate.