TF109B

When I said 'it's not stock' I was being coy.

Tilps

germancarforum:

gengar

^ Doesn't this imply that Akira Iida would be able to lap a base model LFA in 7:18?

05RollaXRS

It angers me that his lap time is 20 seconds slower than Akira IIda's lap time. That is 4 seconds slower than GT3 RS 4.0. He seriously screwed this lap time up (as he did on the standard LFA). I don't know if it was on purpose, but that is what it seems like.

Atleast, I am glad the official lap time video is there to show what the car is truly capable of.

ydooby

7:34 totally sucks. That's the same time as he did with Audi R8 GT, which the LFA Nurburgring Edition should be more than capable of beating.

05RollaXRS

Good point. I had posted a direct comparo a while back of standard LFA with R8 GT (on super-slick tires) and LFA was substantially quicker on the same day with the same driver in the AMS Germany test around Nurburgring.

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/lfa...t-560-bhp.html

Nurburgring edition is supposed to be 7 seconds quicker than the standard LFA.

While I used to give Horst Von Saurma benefit of the doubt when he did the LFA 7:38 since LFA was too new and I did not know how fast it could go, now I am thoroughly convinced he is blatantly biased in Porsche's favor (ofcourse, why would he not be? he is the lead professional racer for the GT3 Cup car and also a test engineer for the 911 cars for Porsche).

I am so glad atleast Lexus released video of Akira Iida's lap time before this cr*p otherwise, I could see the haters spewing venom on Lexus for pricing it at $475,000. Ofcourse, they would have spewed venom on Lexus even if SportAuto got only 7:55 out of the LFA and never question how the magazine was conducting the test and how well does the driver exploit the limits.

TF109B

3440lbs.? Did he wear a lead suit? Or maybe he's been eating too much bratwurst. They were supposed to have it weigh less than 3200lbs. Or is this including a passenger? That might explain the weight and the slow *** times.

jpvarghese

iTrader: (1)

There have been more than enough tests to show that the LFA weighs more than its advertised weight. It amazes me how the same folks make excuses for the car and think there is a worldwide conspiracy in the press against the LFA whenever it is tested.

TF109B

You're being ignorant to the facts. Sport Auto weighs the car with a driver and I think a passenger. That easily adds 300-400lbs. The weight savings were from carbon seats, fixed wing, lighter wheels etc. I don't see how excuses are being made for the car when it's obvious this guy can't 'ring' out the cars like their factory drivers can. 4 seconds faster with a lighter car, better tires, more d/f? Over 12+ miles? Even you have to question this dude's skills with vehicles other than porsche's.

05RollaXRS

The weight is not an issue. Their weights for every other car they have tested is consistent with what normally other tests usually yield. I never believed the Nurburgring edition was much lighter than the standard LFA, which is exactly what this test shows. Lexus gave a range of 1480 - 1580 kg weight for the standard LFA and their weight was consistent with that.

Some test weights of SportAuto I have dug up:

Lamborghini LP570-4: 1500 KG
Lexus LFA: 1580 KG
LFA NE: 1563 KG
458 Italia: 1540 KG
GTR: 1790 KG
Aventador: 1856 KG

The main issue exposed here is Horst Von Saurma's lap time was off by 20 seconds compared to Akir Iida's time on practically the same press car that was used by Iida. That discrepancy is way too huge for one to not question how he could have been so off. That only shows Saurma was very unfamiliar with the LFA's limits (or did not have enough time to really get comfortable with the car). Why is his time 6 seconds slower than the official GT2 RS time, but 20 seconds slower in the LFA???

The only cars he gets lap times he gets close to the factory achieved times is Porsche (since he is Porsche's racing driver and also tests all their cars for tuning).

I am pretty sure when we see the whole thing, the acceleration numbers would be some lame a** numbers as well like 4.2 secs 0 - 100 km/h. LOL. A car with 563 HP and only 3400 lbs weight pulling a 0 - 100 km/h in 4.2 seconds?? Yeah right!

TF109B

Sorry, but CF seats save a good deal of weight by themselves. I question whether these guys know what they're talking about. 10 kg savings in weight (per their article)? From a fixed CF wing and bucket seats? On top of that lighter wheels and a carbon center console. 22lbs... in total. I doubt it. What's weird is they say 10kg weight saving yet it's 17kg lighter than the regular LFA from their stats. They probably had the car that day last year when it was at the 'Ring with every other Journalist who drove it. It probably had the heavy roll cage in it and their camera equipment.

05RollaXRS

Yes, roll cage is definitely a possibility since the press car is what Iida used to run the lap time. The same car has been used at the Goodwood festival.

The difference in weight between the two LFA variants is about 100 lbs, which to me is spot on.

TF109B

17kg is not 100lbs. That's what their conclusion is. That the Nurb edition is 17kg (~38lbs.) lighter than the regular LFA they tested. You think the cage is 60lbs.? I say there's more weight lost than what they reported. A roll cage could be the reason. But that doesn't explain his 'mediocre' time.

05RollaXRS

Yeah, modern roll cages with lightweight construction could be between 60 - 90 pounds.

07grIS350

The original spec said the weight saving was around 100Kg. It's funny that he could not even come close to the warm up lap time.