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Old 06-08-06, 09:21 AM
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Hybrids now worth the extra money
Sure hybrids cost more, but with incentives, they're actually cheaper

Bob McHugh
The Province
Wednesday, June 07, 2006


Drivers thinking about switching to a more environmentally friendly vehicle, but wary of higher hybrid price tags, may be pleasantly surprised.

What a difference a year makes!

Last year, only one hybrid vehicle appeared to be a cost-effective purchase, based on a BCAA five-year ownership cost analysis.

This year only one of the hybrid vehicles evaluated proved to be a money-loser.

Why the quick turnaround?

If you guessed the price of gasoline -- duh -- you're correct, but there's more.

The showroom purchase price difference between a new hybrid and its gasoline counterpart also appears to be shrinking -- rapidly!

The analysis compares the purchase and operating costs of hybrids with comparable gas-powered models over a five-year period. It reveals that, although a hybrid costs more to purchase, over a five-year ownership period, it generally ends up being cheaper.

An average Honda Accord V6 owner is paying a least $370 more for gasoline this year than last year and probably more, if more than 50 per cent of the driving is in the city.

Over five years that really adds up and if the cost of gasoline continues to rise -- did I say if? -- a hybrid is going to look even more attractive.

Three new hybrid vehicles were added to the cost study this year and the second generation Honda Civic Hybrid is also completely new. The latter is a good example of the shrinking cost differential on a new vehicle purchase.

The BCAA figures from last year showed a before-tax $7,315 difference between Civic and Civic Hybrid. The '06 Civic Hybrid, however, is only $2,520 more than its similarly equipped gasoline version -- that's a $4,795 saving over last year. Add the tax and financing incentives that hybrids currently enjoy and you're already ahead of the game -- before you even put a drop of high-priced gasoline in the tank.

Another new hybrid that offers outstanding value is the all-new Toyota Camry Hybrid. Bigger than the Prius, it has a similar hybrid

drivetrain, but it produces the equivalent of 187 horsepower, and it costs less. And the pre-tax cost difference with a comparable gasoline-only Camry is less than $4,000.

Strangely enough, the biggest, most expensive hybrid in the study, the Lexus RX400h, also provided the largest cash return, $4,463.

The first reason for this is that it partially escaped the luxury sales tax premium, due to a $7,000 taxation rate adjustment allowed for hybrid vehicles over $55,000. And secondly, the more you borrow from VanCity at prime, by using its "Clean Air Auto Loan," the more you save.

With all these factors in play over five years, six out of seven hybrids worked out to be cheaper. BCAA cites shrinking purchase price differentials and higher fuel costs as the main reasons most hybrids are more affordable over the longer term.

The BCAA hybrid vs. conventional cost analysis assumes:

n gasoline cost of $1.15 per litre

n financing 80 per cent of total purchase cost and taxes, over five years

n neutral maintenance costs

n long-term depreciation and resale values remain unknown, so they are assumed to be neutral.

The use of hybrid power for transportation is not a new idea -- the old semi-electric pedal cycle comes to mind. When electrical power got low, you pedalled for a while until the bike built-up enough electrical energy for its electric motor to take-over and propel it again.

Although immensely more complex, today's hybrid vehicle essentially works in a similar way -- the big difference being that a gasoline engine does the pedalling for you.

It's not a zero-emissions vehicle but it's darn close, the fuel savings are considerable and the results are in -- it's now a cost-effective purchase.

In a recent BCAA poll, 62 per cent of members surveyed said they would be "very or somewhat likely" to consider purchasing a hybrid if the price was only 15 per cent higher. If hybrids and conventional vehicles were priced the same, the percentage of likely purchasers jumped to 78 per cent.

Bob McHugh is the Senior Technical Advisor at BCAA

More info at link
http://autos.canada.com/news/vancouv...a-637364d97d46
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The OC Register printed something similar. They compared the the non-hybrid and hybrid versions of the new Camry and found that they break even immediately after incentives and tax breaks. No need to wait for five years to see returns in profit from gas-savings; it's immediate! The Prius on the other hand is still a bit pricey compared to a similarly sized Corolla...
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Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
The OC Register printed something similar. They compared the the non-hybrid and hybrid versions of the new Camry and found that they break even immediately after incentives and tax breaks. No need to wait for five years to see returns in profit from gas-savings; it's immediate! The Prius on the other hand is still a bit pricey compared to a similarly sized Corolla...
Prius is a mid-size
Corolla is compact

Prius size is comparable to the Malibu and Fusion
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Originally Posted by xioix
Prius is a mid-size
Corolla is compact

Prius size is comparable to the Malibu and Fusion
Well the Corolla-based Prius is a mid-size only because of its interior volume due to the hatchback design.

The Prius is worth the extra premium compared to the Corolla mostly because it's got a unique design IMHO.
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Originally Posted by XeroK00L
Well the Corolla-based Prius is a mid-size only because of its interior volume due to the hatchback design.

The Prius is worth the extra premium compared to the Corolla mostly because it's got a unique design IMHO.
Never heard that the Prius is on the Corolla platform
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Originally Posted by xioix
Never heard that the Prius is on the Corolla platform
Oops sorry I guess I was mistaken. The 1st-gen Prius was based on the ECHO, which was based on a shortened Corolla platform, but the 2nd-gen Prius got a new platform that is not shared by previous Toyota models. Perhaps that also explains why the Prius is so expensive.
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lol, makes you wonder what all of these "research" companies actually research... Camry Hybrid is $4k more than non-hybrid? Says who? thats ridicilous... It is cheaper than V6, and without tax incentives, only 1k more than comparable 4cly...
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Originally Posted by magneto112
Hybrids now worth the extra money
Sure hybrids cost more, but with incentives, they're actually cheaper

Bob McHugh
The Province
Wednesday, June 07, 2006
And it gets even better if you work for a company like Bank of America who is offering employees who work in Charlotte, Boston, or LA $3,000 if a "IRS" qualified hybrid is purchased (not leased). And guess what...the GS450H and RX400H qualify for the $3,000 bank incentive
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Originally Posted by spwolf
lol, makes you wonder what all of these "research" companies actually research... Camry Hybrid is $4k more than non-hybrid? Says who? thats ridicilous... It is cheaper than V6, and without tax incentives, only 1k more than comparable 4cly...
Not really, in terms of real world prices.

I can get a fully loaded V6 XLE (which is significantly more powerful) for $28,000. A fully loaded Camry hybrid would cost me $30,500.

And I (like a growing number of Americans) would not qualify for a cent of the tax credit because of the AMT.

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Originally Posted by jrock65
Not really, in terms of real world prices.

I can get a fully loaded V6 XLE (which is significantly more powerful) for $28,000. A fully loaded Camry hybrid would cost me $30,500.

And I (like a growing number of Americans) would not qualify for a cent of the tax credit because of the AMT.
Where are you checking real world prices?

The noun tax credit has one meaning:
Meaning #1: a direct reduction in tax liability (not dependent on the taxpayer's tax bracket)
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Originally Posted by xioix
Where are you checking real world prices?
www.fitzmall.com

They are a huge, no nonsense dealer, and honor their online prices to the dot.

Originally Posted by xioix
The noun tax credit has one meaning:
Meaning #1: a direct reduction in tax liability (not dependent on the taxpayer's tax bracket)
I'm not sure what the point of this is.

People (like me) who are subject to the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) do not qualify for the Hyrid Tax Credit.
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The new e85 vehicles are also kind of a joke. Car and Driver had an article explaing how you lose 30% in the MPG department, so E85 fuel needs to be 33% cheaper than regular gas, which it rarely is.
Speaking of... if E85 is 85% corn and 15% regualr gas, why does the price fluctuate so wildly and also why is it so close to regular gas? Around here E85 is about $.40 cheaper than gas, but it fluctates as much as the regualr fuel does.
Conspiracy? Hmmmmm.....
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Originally Posted by jrock65
www.fitzmall.com

They are a huge, no nonsense dealer, and honor their online prices to the dot.



I'm not sure what the point of this is.

People (like me) who are subject to the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) do not qualify for the Hyrid Tax Credit.
What are you adding to make a fully loaded hybrid, because their is no option packages for the hybrid and on fitzmall it is 27k

From Toyota
The benefit of the hybrid vehicle tax credit will also be substantially reduced or eliminated if the individual purchaser is subject to the federal alternative minimum tax (AMT). Individual purchasers and corporations who have business use of the Hybrid vehicle are subject to different tax laws that may also substantially reduce or eliminate the tax benefits. Again, it is recommended that you consult a tax or accounting professional when claiming a deduction or credit on one’s income tax return.
It doesn't say you won't get it
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Also the Camry seems to be pretty close to its EPA estimates.


Automobile Mag tested a Camry Hybrid and averaged 37MPG. EPA combined estimate is 39MPG.

Road and Track averaged 37.3 and I think MotorTrend noticed there averages above 35MPG as well.

Not to bad.

Also the Hybrid Camry is about $1500 more than a comparably equipped 4-cylinder Camry (which is the XLE I-4.)
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Indeed. In Canada, the Camry Hybrid in is a better value than the Prius. At $31,900, it's only a few hundred more than the base Prius but has loads more equipment (almost equivalent to the midrange Prius at $35k) such as JBL audio w/bluetooth, SKS, theft deterrent system, 7 airbags, VDIM, rear vents, 16" alloys, Homelink, Electrochromatic auto dimming mirror.

The Prius has more equipment than the Corolla and options that aren't available on the Corolla. The original Prius was classified compact and was the size of a Corolla. The new one is midsize. Hey, it doesn't hurt to have Camry-like room and Corolla-like manoeuvrability.
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