does aftermarket cold air intake void any warranty?
10-08-14, 11:52 AM
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Wrong holes. Two holes cool brakes, two do nothing. Lexus even makes a fog light kit to mount in those two holes. Use those holes for CAI instead of fog lights. Look close and you will see they already have a small hole far back inside. I sent an e-mail to Lexus and they stated they were there for looks only.
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10-08-14, 01:08 PM
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10-08-14, 04:51 PM
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Personally I wouldn't worry about any warranty issues because there are rarely any, and if something does occur, just swap it back to your OEM intake, and take the car in.
If you have a SRI, you have nothing to worry about.
10-10-14, 04:34 PM
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Both cold air none the less. One is less of a hassle. The other ends up having a bunch of sand and debris cause it sits so low.
10-11-14, 08:26 AM
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I've never heard of anyone having issues with sucking up sand and debris, and if there was a possibility of that, a $15-$20 cover would guard would fix this problem.
10-12-14, 07:08 PM
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Specifically, putting any aftermarket part on your vehicle can not void your warranty per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act. In this WikiPedia article, see the requirements:
"Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[7] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions,[8] and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives."
I know it says computer but it applies to all products.
This requirement forces the manufacturer or dealer to prove that it was the aftermarket part that caused the issue.
Below is a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act
"Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[7] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions,[8] and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives."
I know it says computer but it applies to all products.
This requirement forces the manufacturer or dealer to prove that it was the aftermarket part that caused the issue.
Below is a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act
10-13-14, 08:22 AM
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Specifically, putting any aftermarket part on your vehicle can not void your warranty per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act. In this WikiPedia article, see the requirements:
"Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[7] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions,[8] and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives."
I know it says computer but it applies to all products.
This requirement forces the manufacturer or dealer to prove that it was the aftermarket part that caused the issue.
Below is a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act
"Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[7] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions,[8] and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives."
I know it says computer but it applies to all products.
This requirement forces the manufacturer or dealer to prove that it was the aftermarket part that caused the issue.
Below is a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act
This is specific to the United States
10-13-14, 08:40 AM
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Specifically, putting any aftermarket part on your vehicle can not void your warranty per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act. In this WikiPedia article, see the requirements:
"Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[7] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions,[8] and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives."
I know it says computer but it applies to all products.
This requirement forces the manufacturer or dealer to prove that it was the aftermarket part that caused the issue.
Below is a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act
"Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[7] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions,[8] and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives."
I know it says computer but it applies to all products.
This requirement forces the manufacturer or dealer to prove that it was the aftermarket part that caused the issue.
Below is a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act
It's to prevent you from being forced to spend more money on a single vendor's product while simultaneously removing your choice to evaluate another vendor's comparable product. In the case of purchasing a car new, you've already made the choice to buy the car as-is and agreed to any terms the manufacturer of the car as a whole has put forth by doing so.
In this case there is no tie-in sales issue and thus no removal of choice.
I've never heard of a court forcing a dealer to provide support for whatever custom modifications a buyer might have done on his own.
Even the same is true with computers. If you buy a computer with a Hitachi hard drive, then decide to replace it with a Seagate drive, if the hard drive fails and you try to send it all back to the vendor, they have the right to say "this is not the drive we sold you", they can tell you to put the original drive back in. If heat from the faulty drive damaged the motherboard, they do not have to eat the cost (although in the interest of customer support they might).
10-13-14, 11:13 AM
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See below for the link to the FTC site and the answer from the FTC:
This should answer the question.
http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles...ne-maintenance
Will using 'aftermarket' or recycled parts void my warranty?
No. An 'aftermarket' part is a part made by a company other than the vehicle manufacturer or the original equipment manufacturer. A 'recycled' part is a part that was made for and installed in a new vehicle by the manufacturer or the original equipment manufacturer, and later removed from the vehicle and made available for resale or reuse. Simply using an aftermarket or recycled part does not void your warranty. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act makes it illegal for companies to void your warranty or deny coverage under the warranty simply because you used an aftermarket or recycled part. Still, if it turns out that the aftermarket or recycled part was itself defective or wasn't installed correctly, and it causes damage to another part that is covered under the warranty, the manufacturer or dealer has the right to deny coverage for that part and charge you for any repairs. The FTC says the manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage.
This should answer the question.
http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles...ne-maintenance
Will using 'aftermarket' or recycled parts void my warranty?
No. An 'aftermarket' part is a part made by a company other than the vehicle manufacturer or the original equipment manufacturer. A 'recycled' part is a part that was made for and installed in a new vehicle by the manufacturer or the original equipment manufacturer, and later removed from the vehicle and made available for resale or reuse. Simply using an aftermarket or recycled part does not void your warranty. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act makes it illegal for companies to void your warranty or deny coverage under the warranty simply because you used an aftermarket or recycled part. Still, if it turns out that the aftermarket or recycled part was itself defective or wasn't installed correctly, and it causes damage to another part that is covered under the warranty, the manufacturer or dealer has the right to deny coverage for that part and charge you for any repairs. The FTC says the manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage.
10-13-14, 11:45 AM
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Still, if it turns out that the aftermarket or recycled part was itself defective or wasn't installed correctly, and it causes damage to another part that is covered under the warranty, the manufacturer or dealer has the right to deny coverage for that part and charge you for any repairs. The FTC says the manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage.
The dealer has the right to say no, then it's up to you to pay a lawyer to take them to court. Then it just comes down to whether you have as much time and money to throw at the lawyers as their corporate legal department does. Let me know how that turns out.
The truth is that if the problem is not caused by the part they will probably know it right away and take care of it. It's when the aftermarket part does have some sort of negative effect on the vehicles reliability or performance that you're glued and screwed, and there's no way of knowing if it will until it's too late. Not worth the risk.
10-15-14, 01:08 PM
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Which is pretty much a no brainer for them to do with the onboard black boxes of modern vehicles, which can show them the exact timestamp that an aftermarket part replaced the factory part, the side effects of having done so, and the time that the car owner swapped back to the factory part before bringing it in for service, providing difficult to dispute evidence of warranty fraud by the customer.
The dealer has the right to say no, then it's up to you to pay a lawyer to take them to court. Then it just comes down to whether you have as much time and money to throw at the lawyers as their corporate legal department does. Let me know how that turns out.
The truth is that if the problem is not caused by the part they will probably know it right away and take care of it. It's when the aftermarket part does have some sort of negative effect on the vehicles reliability or performance that you're glued and screwed, and there's no way of knowing if it will until it's too late. Not worth the risk.
The dealer has the right to say no, then it's up to you to pay a lawyer to take them to court. Then it just comes down to whether you have as much time and money to throw at the lawyers as their corporate legal department does. Let me know how that turns out.
The truth is that if the problem is not caused by the part they will probably know it right away and take care of it. It's when the aftermarket part does have some sort of negative effect on the vehicles reliability or performance that you're glued and screwed, and there's no way of knowing if it will until it's too late. Not worth the risk.
10-15-14, 03:47 PM
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Which is pretty much a no brainer for them to do with the onboard black boxes of modern vehicles, which can show them the exact timestamp that an aftermarket part replaced the factory part, the side effects of having done so, and the time that the car owner swapped back to the factory part before bringing it in for service, providing difficult to dispute evidence of warranty fraud by the customer.
The dealer has the right to say no, then it's up to you to pay a lawyer to take them to court. Then it just comes down to whether you have as much time and money to throw at the lawyers as their corporate legal department does. Let me know how that turns out.
The truth is that if the problem is not caused by the part they will probably know it right away and take care of it. It's when the aftermarket part does have some sort of negative effect on the vehicles reliability or performance that you're glued and screwed, and there's no way of knowing if it will until it's too late. Not worth the risk.
The dealer has the right to say no, then it's up to you to pay a lawyer to take them to court. Then it just comes down to whether you have as much time and money to throw at the lawyers as their corporate legal department does. Let me know how that turns out.
The truth is that if the problem is not caused by the part they will probably know it right away and take care of it. It's when the aftermarket part does have some sort of negative effect on the vehicles reliability or performance that you're glued and screwed, and there's no way of knowing if it will until it's too late. Not worth the risk.
10-15-14, 05:30 PM
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Car manufacturers have diagnostic readability of far more parameters than are used in crash forensics. A sudden change in one parameter, which suddenly changes back right before the car lands at the dealership could easily be detected. The diagnostics in many cars are such that they can tell you the exact time in and out of a passenger in the car, it has nothing to do with the electronics of the part itself. Even something as seemingly low tech as a tire change can often be detected.
10-15-14, 10:29 PM
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In most manuals these days you'll find something that says:
“This is your car and the data belongs to you. Unless the cops ask for it. Or in case you decide to sue us.” regarding the EDR/Black boxes.
We own the data, and a dealership may not legally access that data without our permission, or a court order, which I highly doubt they would do. Should they access the data without our consent or a court order, there would be legal repercussions.
So weather you swap out after market parts or not, the dealership would have no idea.
“This is your car and the data belongs to you. Unless the cops ask for it. Or in case you decide to sue us.” regarding the EDR/Black boxes.
EDRs and the data they store belong to vehicle owners. Police, insurers, researchers, automakers and others may gain access to the data with owner consent. Without consent, access may be obtained through a court order. For example, in a Florida criminal case involving a vehicular manslaughter charge, the police obtained a warrant to access the EDR data.
For crashes that don't involve litigation, especially when police or insurers are interested in assessing fault, insurers may be able to access the EDRs in their policyholders' vehicles based on provisions in the insurance contract requiring policyholders to cooperate with the insurer. However, some states prohibit insurance contracts from requiring policyholders to consent to access.
For crashes that don't involve litigation, especially when police or insurers are interested in assessing fault, insurers may be able to access the EDRs in their policyholders' vehicles based on provisions in the insurance contract requiring policyholders to cooperate with the insurer. However, some states prohibit insurance contracts from requiring policyholders to consent to access.
So weather you swap out after market parts or not, the dealership would have no idea.