IS350 F Sport Underpower against Germans?
03-13-14, 12:53 AM
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Well to many of you guys who didn't know what my original post stated meant the brand new CLA AMG and not the C63 AMG. I posted the S4 to compare with the IS350 F Sport because the A4 is a FWD under power dog. I believe my original post has the best comparison in terms of each brand's segment lineup compared to the IS350 F Sport. Just remember that price is always higher for the Germans. Oh also Beemer's new lineup of 2 and 4 series are so tempting for buyers, I can tell why they're always selling their break my wallet cars so well. I personally saw a sonic blue 428 the other day and it was so attractive. Power actually is more predominant than handling imo.
03-13-14, 01:36 AM
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If that's true than you should buy a Stingray instead as none of the german cars in your lineup can compete with that. Gotta jump up to the C63 AMG for that one but pricewise it competes with the 335i at the low end and a base M3 at the high end.
And honestly your statement comes across as very inexperienced. HP gets more attention like benchpress numbers get more attention in the gym. Just because it gets more attention doesn't make justified. There is more to being good athlete than benchpress and there is more to a good car than power. Handling is just as important as it can make or break the car. Try finding a true car enthusiast not comment on handling.
And honestly your statement comes across as very inexperienced. HP gets more attention like benchpress numbers get more attention in the gym. Just because it gets more attention doesn't make justified. There is more to being good athlete than benchpress and there is more to a good car than power. Handling is just as important as it can make or break the car. Try finding a true car enthusiast not comment on handling.
03-13-14, 05:16 AM
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So let me recap. with you two.
Because an IS-F doesnt have the 3 numbers doesnt make it a luxury sedan? Same goes as well with the M3
And Chris is saying because the IS-F has a V8 makes it not a luxury sedan even though just like the F sport has the sport tuned suspension and everything just like the IS-F. IDK what sheet metal has to do with anything.
And the RS4 is still a sedan even tho its a wagon?
and okay ill give you the CTS-V even though the ATS is classified as compact and the CTS is classified as midsize like the rest but what ever. But now ATS is even better because there is an ATS-V as well. I'm guessing thats not comparable to the IS-F either since it has a 400 hp V6 twin turbo
To clear this up, I agree the IS350 is comparable to the 3-series, A/S4, C-Class etc. but why is the IS-F/M3/c63/ats-v not NOT a sport luxury car event though made by a luxury car brand and classified as a luxury car like its successors? and why is it not the top teir when they clearly are? because something is sport tuned does not make it NOT A LUXURY CAR. If you really want to define luxury cars, NONE OF THESE CARS ARE BECAUSE NONE OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY LUXURIOUS LOL
And don't separate class by price. We are specifically talking Compact/Midsized luxury sedans here!
Because an IS-F doesnt have the 3 numbers doesnt make it a luxury sedan? Same goes as well with the M3
And Chris is saying because the IS-F has a V8 makes it not a luxury sedan even though just like the F sport has the sport tuned suspension and everything just like the IS-F. IDK what sheet metal has to do with anything.
And the RS4 is still a sedan even tho its a wagon?
and okay ill give you the CTS-V even though the ATS is classified as compact and the CTS is classified as midsize like the rest but what ever. But now ATS is even better because there is an ATS-V as well. I'm guessing thats not comparable to the IS-F either since it has a 400 hp V6 twin turbo
To clear this up, I agree the IS350 is comparable to the 3-series, A/S4, C-Class etc. but why is the IS-F/M3/c63/ats-v not NOT a sport luxury car event though made by a luxury car brand and classified as a luxury car like its successors? and why is it not the top teir when they clearly are? because something is sport tuned does not make it NOT A LUXURY CAR. If you really want to define luxury cars, NONE OF THESE CARS ARE BECAUSE NONE OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY LUXURIOUS LOL
And don't separate class by price. We are specifically talking Compact/Midsized luxury sedans here!
03-13-14, 06:23 AM
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Test drove the 2014 335I M sport and LOVED the power and shifting speed and kick in the straight line but that's pretty much it. YES Beemer do win in a straight line with power but that's not all I'm looking for. I leased IS350 F-sport is not because power only, IS handles sharp corner better when I test drive, also seats are very comfy compare to BMW. not even talking about features and cosmetic. and also dollar per dollar compares too.
Bottom line I would say I bought the whole package not just the engine.
I could have lease a BMW with same price as IS they offered and I know it was a good deal coming from BMW but I still like IS. if you like straight line with raw power than go with G37 coupe which my wife drives now and they do kick your head back like you want to.
Bottom line I would say I bought the whole package not just the engine.
I could have lease a BMW with same price as IS they offered and I know it was a good deal coming from BMW but I still like IS. if you like straight line with raw power than go with G37 coupe which my wife drives now and they do kick your head back like you want to.
03-13-14, 06:24 AM
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Wow, this thread really derailed quickly.
All I'll add on two points.
1. CLA from Merc doesn't compete. It's a FWD car, ie, it's a piece of crap. The C-class is the IS' competition from Merc, plain and simple.
2. The CTS is a mid-sized sports sedan. IS, C class, 3-series, A4...they're all "Compact sport" sedans. Different class of cars. As someone else pointed out, direct competition from Caddy here is the ATS. The CTS butts up against the GS
All I'll add on two points.
1. CLA from Merc doesn't compete. It's a FWD car, ie, it's a piece of crap. The C-class is the IS' competition from Merc, plain and simple.
2. The CTS is a mid-sized sports sedan. IS, C class, 3-series, A4...they're all "Compact sport" sedans. Different class of cars. As someone else pointed out, direct competition from Caddy here is the ATS. The CTS butts up against the GS
03-13-14, 06:33 AM
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Wow, this thread really derailed quickly.
All I'll add on two points.
1. CLA from Merc doesn't compete. It's a FWD car, ie, it's a piece of crap. The C-class is the IS' competition from Merc, plain and simple.
2. The CTS is a mid-sized sports sedan. IS, C class, 3-series, A4...they're all "Compact sport" sedans. Different class of cars. As someone else pointed out, direct competition from Caddy here is the ATS. The CTS butts up against the GS
All I'll add on two points.
1. CLA from Merc doesn't compete. It's a FWD car, ie, it's a piece of crap. The C-class is the IS' competition from Merc, plain and simple.
2. The CTS is a mid-sized sports sedan. IS, C class, 3-series, A4...they're all "Compact sport" sedans. Different class of cars. As someone else pointed out, direct competition from Caddy here is the ATS. The CTS butts up against the GS
The "standard" sedans with factory sport packages
- BMW 335i M-Sport
- Audi S4
- Lexus IS 350 F-Sport
- Mercedes C350 Sport
- Infiniti Q50 S or G37 S
- Cadillac ATS 3.6
The top of the line "halo" cars based on the above sedans
- BMW M3
- Audi RS4
- Lexus IS-F
- Mercedes C63
03-13-14, 07:23 AM
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To awnser your question op the is 350 is a little bit underpowered and to heavy.
Rant:
Oh toyota stop being so coy...you remeber that thing called 2jzgte...all you need is to bore and stroke it to 3.4...
I would have gladly payed and extra 10000 to have one on my engine bay...
Rant:
Oh toyota stop being so coy...you remeber that thing called 2jzgte...all you need is to bore and stroke it to 3.4...
I would have gladly payed and extra 10000 to have one on my engine bay...
03-13-14, 07:47 AM
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Right, I can't believe the amount of confusion in this thread. Pricing them out and comparing specs it's easy to see the delineations within the compact sport sedan segment between all these brands:
The "standard" sedans with factory sport packages
The top of the line "halo" cars based on the above sedans
The "standard" sedans with factory sport packages
- BMW 335i M-Sport
- Audi S4
- Lexus IS 350 F-Sport
- Mercedes C350 Sport
- Infiniti Q50 S or G37 S
- Cadillac ATS 3.6
The top of the line "halo" cars based on the above sedans
- BMW M3
- Audi RS4
- Lexus IS-F
- Mercedes C63
Sorry to go off on such a tangent from the OP but I'm just disputing the comment that these "Sport Tuned" cars are NOT considered Luxury cars
03-13-14, 08:12 AM
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All comparably equipped:
Audi S4 - $63,650
Lexus IS350 - $53,200
BMW 335i - $62,700
These cars cannot be compared without considering the rather large price discrepancies. If one doesn't understand context, one shouldn't be debating about anything, ever.
Audi S4 - $63,650
Lexus IS350 - $53,200
BMW 335i - $62,700
These cars cannot be compared without considering the rather large price discrepancies. If one doesn't understand context, one shouldn't be debating about anything, ever.
03-13-14, 09:58 AM
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Well to many of you guys who didn't know what my original post stated meant the brand new CLA AMG and not the C63 AMG. I posted the S4 to compare with the IS350 F Sport because the A4 is a FWD under power dog. I believe my original post has the best comparison in terms of each brand's segment lineup compared to the IS350 F Sport. Just remember that price is always higher for the Germans. Oh also Beemer's new lineup of 2 and 4 series are so tempting for buyers, I can tell why they're always selling their break my wallet cars so well. I personally saw a sonic blue 428 the other day and it was so attractive. Power actually is more predominant than handling imo.
Actually the CLA250 is available with 4Matic. It's a $2000 option called 4MATIC Package