Consumer Reports hates the new IS
#31
Answer me this -- Why would Lexus introduce a new model with a new suspension, new tranny, new gauge, new seats, add 3 inches to the car -- and run this risk of throwing in a new engine? Why would they assume that risk when the power plant is still one of the best available even if dated? Why? Their reputation -- their one key big competitive differentiator is their reliability.
#32
Lexus Test Driver
Answer me this -- Why would Lexus introduce a new model with a new suspension, new tranny, new gauge, new seats, add 3 inches to the car -- and run this risk of throwing in a new engine? Why would they assume that risk when the power plant is still one of the best available even if dated? Why? Their reputation -- their one key big competitive differentiator is their reliability.
Myself and many others buyers of IS250 find no reason to update. I cannot justify spending $20k on the "new"IS250 model. I would gladly do itif I would get a new engine with better gas mileage, faster but the competition is looking more and more appealing. No wonder Mercedes/BMW are the best sellers despite their reliability issues, they know what to offer. BMW changed everything with F30 not just the design and chairs and remove the sunglasses holder. New engine suspension gearbox.. they sell like pancakes and they don;t have to brag with 335, 328 it's best in class.
#33
Lexus Fanatic
Answer me this -- Why would Lexus introduce a new model with a new suspension, new tranny, new gauge, new seats, add 3 inches to the car -- and run this risk of throwing in a new engine? Why would they assume that risk when the power plant is still one of the best available even if dated? Why? Their reputation -- their one key big competitive differentiator is their reliability.
But, by leaving the old power plants as is they give their competitors a huge selling proposition against them which is unwise IMHO.
I know you don't feel Lexus can do any wrong, but I think this is an oversight I'm in the GS which has the carryover engine too, and while it certainly is serviceable I too would have appreciated a new or updated engine. from the one my buddy has thats 4 years old.
#34
I don;t know what you're talking about there.. What risk.. What risk could Lexus have if they'd introduce an ALL NEW model? The risk of having more sales?
Myself and many others buyers of IS250 find no reason to update. I cannot justify spending $20k on the "new"IS250 model. I would gladly do itif I would get a new engine with better gas mileage, faster but the competition is looking more and more appealing. No wonder Mercedes/BMW are the best sellers despite their reliability issues, they know what to offer. BMW changed everything with F30 not just the design and chairs and remove the sunglasses holder. New engine suspension gearbox.. they sell like pancakes and they don;t have to brag with 335, 328 it's best in class.
Myself and many others buyers of IS250 find no reason to update. I cannot justify spending $20k on the "new"IS250 model. I would gladly do itif I would get a new engine with better gas mileage, faster but the competition is looking more and more appealing. No wonder Mercedes/BMW are the best sellers despite their reliability issues, they know what to offer. BMW changed everything with F30 not just the design and chairs and remove the sunglasses holder. New engine suspension gearbox.. they sell like pancakes and they don;t have to brag with 335, 328 it's best in class.
#35
They should have done something to these engines, a little more power, a little different tuning. Something so they could say they have an updated power plant. The engine doesn't have to be "all new"...
But, by leaving the old power plants as is they give their competitors a huge selling proposition against them which is unwise IMHO.
I know you don't feel Lexus can do any wrong, but I think this is an oversight I'm in the GS which has the carryover engine too, and while it certainly is serviceable I too would have appreciated a new or updated engine. from the one my buddy has thats 4 years old.
But, by leaving the old power plants as is they give their competitors a huge selling proposition against them which is unwise IMHO.
I know you don't feel Lexus can do any wrong, but I think this is an oversight I'm in the GS which has the carryover engine too, and while it certainly is serviceable I too would have appreciated a new or updated engine. from the one my buddy has thats 4 years old.
You and others never answer my questions. You just keep saying "they should've."
#37
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#38
Lexus Fanatic
I think the bottom line is its frustrating to be spoon fed things. When the competition comes out with a new model...it has a new motor...or at least a revamped motor. Lexus is not a startup, it has enormous resources behind it both from within the Lexus umbrella and within the Toyota company as a whole. These engines are in production and design for years and years before they come out. Its just frustrating to have the GS and IS be such great cars and be held back because their engines are older and less powerful than the competition. I can't even count how many times I've read "its a great car with a great chassis...begging for more power"...
#39
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I think the bottom line is its frustrating to be spoon fed things. When the competition comes out with a new model...it has a new motor...or at least a revamped motor. Lexus is not a startup, it has enormous resources behind it both from within the Lexus umbrella and within the Toyota company as a whole. These engines are in production and design for years and years before they come out. Its just frustrating to have the GS and IS be such great cars and be held back because their engines are older and less powerful than the competition. I can't even count how many times I've read "its a great car with a great chassis...begging for more power"...
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