Why no memory feature and cooled seats on F Sport?
09-10-13, 04:55 PM
#61
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
I definitely agree. Most luxury car buyers want quality options that add a lot of convenience and pleasure to owning that car. That convenience and pleasure will vary by each person but most would agree that they would want options than be force to take what is on the lot.
09-10-13, 04:57 PM
#62
Lexus Fanatic
To be fair to Glashub, his post is the text from that C&D article he posted...C&D is totally wrong IMHO...but those are their words not his.
09-10-13, 05:23 PM
#63
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Thats just not at all true. Many people, myself included, lease because its the most economical way for us to drive the cars we want to drive, and to replace those cars as often as we want to. Many of us can also deduct business expenses for vehicles, and that makes leasing even more attractive.
I could pay cash for a car, but why would I want to have $50,000+ in cash tied up in a depreciating asset when I can lease it for very little interest and write the entire cost of that lease off of my taxes? I don't care about "owning" the car, because I'm just going to replace it every 3 years anyways. If I ever did decide to buy a car and keep for a long time, I'd buy. Leasing saves me money and it makes the whole process of driving, expensing, and replacing my car much simpler for me. I know MANY people who lease, people who make 7 figures a year and lease. Its a financial management tool, thats all.
Leasing has been around for decades and decades. I remember my Dad leasing cars when I was a little boy, its not a product of the recession, if anything leasing kind of died down during the recession and has picked up a lot here recently.
I could pay cash for a car, but why would I want to have $50,000+ in cash tied up in a depreciating asset when I can lease it for very little interest and write the entire cost of that lease off of my taxes? I don't care about "owning" the car, because I'm just going to replace it every 3 years anyways. If I ever did decide to buy a car and keep for a long time, I'd buy. Leasing saves me money and it makes the whole process of driving, expensing, and replacing my car much simpler for me. I know MANY people who lease, people who make 7 figures a year and lease. Its a financial management tool, thats all.
Leasing has been around for decades and decades. I remember my Dad leasing cars when I was a little boy, its not a product of the recession, if anything leasing kind of died down during the recession and has picked up a lot here recently.
I've always owned my car since I can't write it off and I don't put a lot of miles on it. My current car, Acura TLS is 12+ years old and has 120k miles and it still runs great without any issues. Car still doesn't feel outdated because I added cool options (at least back then) like navigation system which now days every car has.
I'm hoping to have very nicely optioned IS F Sport or another car I choose to hold me over for next 8-10 years. I could probably give it to my daughter or son at that time since they'll be at driving age. Interior of IS is so modern and nice I don't think it'll ever get outdated and that cool TFT instrument cluster is years ahead by other car standard in it's class. In 10 years every car will be having that like navigation systems is now. If Lexus will add few more luxury options available like memory and cool seats it'll make my decision that much easier, perhaps they'll add those options next year. My dealer said he should get some F Sport in by next week for me to test drive so I'm looking forward to that.
09-10-13, 05:45 PM
#64
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
"Leasing is pretty much a tactful way of saying, “I’m driving a car I can’t afford to buy,” but without having to swallow your pride. It makes for a great show, but when all is said and done, you own nothing. Hence, lease rates are carefully crafted to be attractive in the short term while not enticing enough to deter potential buyers from the benefits of new-car ownership. If you have the means, it’s almost always better to buy as you end up owning the car. But that delicate balance was shaken when automakers (and creditors alike) were making something of a last-ditch attempt to combat a collapsing economy a few years back. Leases were absurdly cheap, and even if your credit was bad, you were in." 
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...pping-websites
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...pping-websites
09-10-13, 05:50 PM
#65
Lexus Fanatic
Yeah overall leasing is going to me more expensive than buying a car and keeping it until its depreciated. But, for those of us who enjoy having a new car every few years and understand the expense...you only live once...
09-10-13, 06:03 PM
#66
09-10-13, 06:07 PM
#67
Lexus Fanatic
To be fair...you did just post that everybody who leases "can't really afford to buy the car". Thats a pretty offensive assumption too.
09-10-13, 06:08 PM
#68
It kind of messes with the mind that.
09-10-13, 06:10 PM
#69
I truly didn't mean to offend anyone.
Last edited by Glashub; 09-10-13 at 06:14 PM.
09-10-13, 06:14 PM
#70
Lexus Test Driver
is a pretty offensive assumption to me as well. you called me out first! if you cant stand the repercussions you should choose your words more carefully, or just because its someone else's statement doesn't make it any less offensive!
and FWIW I just sold this car online my MSRP was over 90K
I've had 2 of these over the past 4 years as daily drivers.
trust me when i say i could buy a pair of IS350's for what i sold this car for!
however i did not lease the vette i wrote off another car i leased.
only reason i am coming BACK to the IS-350 (i used to have a 2007) is because for my 3 mile commute i feel the IS makes more sense from a practicality standpoint. plus the fact i can actually take it places and park it where i don't need to worry about people coming out and posing next to my car to take pictures to pretend they own it.
Last edited by Bass Mech; 09-10-13 at 06:17 PM.
09-10-13, 06:14 PM
#71
Lexus Fanatic
It took me a minute to realize that was the text from the article myself, which is why I think you've ruffled some feathers here.
You have to remember though, 70%+ of luxury cars are leased. They aren't "juicing" sales figures by offering strong leasing deals. When a vehicle is leased, its sold, its simply sold to the leasing co. BMW and to a lesser extent, Mercedes have known for years that their typcial consumer wants to lease, and they have offered high residuals and low money factors as well as rebates to give their leases great value. The result is they don't make much profit off the servicing of the lease...but they sell the cars.
Lexus is realizing this too, and you see great leases on the GS and it will get there on the IS.
Not that long ago, you paid a real penalty as someone who leases when you got a Lexus, now you don't as much. Audi still hasn't figured it out. The whole reason I have a GS instead of an A6 was Audi had a crappy lease. Same MSRP and sales price as the GS, Audi's lease was $200 a month more.
You have to remember though, 70%+ of luxury cars are leased. They aren't "juicing" sales figures by offering strong leasing deals. When a vehicle is leased, its sold, its simply sold to the leasing co. BMW and to a lesser extent, Mercedes have known for years that their typcial consumer wants to lease, and they have offered high residuals and low money factors as well as rebates to give their leases great value. The result is they don't make much profit off the servicing of the lease...but they sell the cars.
Lexus is realizing this too, and you see great leases on the GS and it will get there on the IS.
Not that long ago, you paid a real penalty as someone who leases when you got a Lexus, now you don't as much. Audi still hasn't figured it out. The whole reason I have a GS instead of an A6 was Audi had a crappy lease. Same MSRP and sales price as the GS, Audi's lease was $200 a month more.
09-10-13, 06:17 PM
#72
[QUOTE=2014IS350;8134056]quote: Leasing is pretty much a tactful way of saying, “I’m driving a car I can’t afford to buy,” but without having to swallow your pride."
is a pretty offensive assumption to me as well. you called me out first! if you cant stand the repercussions you should choose your words more carefully.
and FWIW I just sold this car online my MSRP was over 90K
I've had 2 of these over the past 4 years as daily drivers.
trust me when i say i could buy a pair of IS350's for what i sold this car for!
however i did not lease the vette i wrote off another car i leased.
only reason i am coming BACK to the IS-350 (i used to have a 2007) is because for my 3 mile commute i feel the IS makes more sense from a practicality standpoint. plus the fat i can actually take it places and park it where i don't need to worry about people coming out and posing next to my car to take pictures to pretend they own it.
That is a quote. Read the post. Okay. So what? Big deal. A tricked out Corvette. That won't get you into heaven and it doesn't make you a good and worthy person.
is a pretty offensive assumption to me as well. you called me out first! if you cant stand the repercussions you should choose your words more carefully.
and FWIW I just sold this car online my MSRP was over 90K
I've had 2 of these over the past 4 years as daily drivers.
trust me when i say i could buy a pair of IS350's for what i sold this car for!
however i did not lease the vette i wrote off another car i leased.
only reason i am coming BACK to the IS-350 (i used to have a 2007) is because for my 3 mile commute i feel the IS makes more sense from a practicality standpoint. plus the fat i can actually take it places and park it where i don't need to worry about people coming out and posing next to my car to take pictures to pretend they own it.
That is a quote. Read the post. Okay. So what? Big deal. A tricked out Corvette. That won't get you into heaven and it doesn't make you a good and worthy person.
09-10-13, 06:23 PM
#73
Lexus Test Driver
It took me a minute to realize that was the text from the article myself, which is why I think you've ruffled some feathers here.
You have to remember though, 70%+ of luxury cars are leased. They aren't "juicing" sales figures by offering strong leasing deals. When a vehicle is leased, its sold, its simply sold to the leasing co. BMW and to a lesser extent, Mercedes have known for years that their typcial consumer wants to lease, and they have offered high residuals and low money factors as well as rebates to give their leases great value. The result is they don't make much profit off the servicing of the lease...but they sell the cars.
Lexus is realizing this too, and you see great leases on the GS and it will get there on the IS.
Not that long ago, you paid a real penalty as someone who leases when you got a Lexus, now you don't as much. Audi still hasn't figured it out. The whole reason I have a GS instead of an A6 was Audi had a crappy lease. Same MSRP and sales price as the GS, Audi's lease was $200 a month more.
You have to remember though, 70%+ of luxury cars are leased. They aren't "juicing" sales figures by offering strong leasing deals. When a vehicle is leased, its sold, its simply sold to the leasing co. BMW and to a lesser extent, Mercedes have known for years that their typcial consumer wants to lease, and they have offered high residuals and low money factors as well as rebates to give their leases great value. The result is they don't make much profit off the servicing of the lease...but they sell the cars.
Lexus is realizing this too, and you see great leases on the GS and it will get there on the IS.
Not that long ago, you paid a real penalty as someone who leases when you got a Lexus, now you don't as much. Audi still hasn't figured it out. The whole reason I have a GS instead of an A6 was Audi had a crappy lease. Same MSRP and sales price as the GS, Audi's lease was $200 a month more.
09-10-13, 06:30 PM
#74
Lexus Test Driver
[QUOTE=Glashub;8134065]
well actually its not tricked out, its totally stock and very rare! they only made 194 of them in 2012.
and I am certain i will be going to heaven
because actually am a very good person. I protect peoples assets, income and retirement and make sure that when bad things happen the rest of the family can live a life of dignity rather than a life of poverty.
i make sure your kids get a college education, I make sure there is a dress for the prom, I guarantee a widow wants for nothing even if bad things happen unexpectedly.
I would say that makes me a pretty good person and if you crash your car and get sued for a million bucks you'll be glad you met me.
quote: Leasing is pretty much a tactful way of saying, “I’m driving a car I can’t afford to buy,” but without having to swallow your pride."
is a pretty offensive assumption to me as well. you called me out first! if you cant stand the repercussions you should choose your words more carefully.
and FWIW I just sold this car online my MSRP was over 90K
I've had 2 of these over the past 4 years as daily drivers.
trust me when i say i could buy a pair of IS350's for what i sold this car for!
however i did not lease the vette i wrote off another car i leased.
only reason i am coming BACK to the IS-350 (i used to have a 2007) is because for my 3 mile commute i feel the IS makes more sense from a practicality standpoint. plus the fat i can actually take it places and park it where i don't need to worry about people coming out and posing next to my car to take pictures to pretend they own it.
That is a quote. Read the post. Okay. So what? Big deal. A tricked out Corvette. That won't get you into heaven and it doesn't make you a good and worthy person.
is a pretty offensive assumption to me as well. you called me out first! if you cant stand the repercussions you should choose your words more carefully.
and FWIW I just sold this car online my MSRP was over 90K
I've had 2 of these over the past 4 years as daily drivers.
trust me when i say i could buy a pair of IS350's for what i sold this car for!
however i did not lease the vette i wrote off another car i leased.
only reason i am coming BACK to the IS-350 (i used to have a 2007) is because for my 3 mile commute i feel the IS makes more sense from a practicality standpoint. plus the fat i can actually take it places and park it where i don't need to worry about people coming out and posing next to my car to take pictures to pretend they own it.
That is a quote. Read the post. Okay. So what? Big deal. A tricked out Corvette. That won't get you into heaven and it doesn't make you a good and worthy person.
and I am certain i will be going to heaven
because actually am a very good person. I protect peoples assets, income and retirement and make sure that when bad things happen the rest of the family can live a life of dignity rather than a life of poverty.
i make sure your kids get a college education, I make sure there is a dress for the prom, I guarantee a widow wants for nothing even if bad things happen unexpectedly.
I would say that makes me a pretty good person and if you crash your car and get sued for a million bucks you'll be glad you met me.
09-10-13, 06:31 PM
#75
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by Glashub
That is a quote. Read the post.