Originally Posted by KeyserS

The turn signal in the new IS350 is a bad, bad design. There just isn’t any getting around this, and it is just plain silly for anyone to assert otherwise. It is a bad design, and it is just that simple. Say it to yourself, and if it bugs you, repeat it until you can say it with flinching or wanting to punch someone. Bad design. Bad design. Bad design.

Originally Posted by RXSF

I also should throw in that the mercedes stalk doesnt all you to cancel the 3 signal when you activate it. pushing the stalk in the other direction simply turns it on in the other direction

Originally Posted by yardie876

Wow lol. Yes, the new indicator is new and has a small learning curve but it is so convenient when you know how it works. I find it hilarious that someone took so much time and effort to complain about this, especially given the fact that it is NOT NEW and has been implemented on competitive car manufacturers. Was it a topic of concern on BMWs or was it a moot point like it really is with the Lexus?
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Originally Posted by KeyserS

Motortrend's just-published "First Test" of the 2014 IS350 F Sport:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...rt_first_test/

“What did get old was the one-touch turn signal stalk. It was too sensitive, and when trying to cancel the signal, I would often activate the turn signal for the other direction.”

Over the past 15 - 20 years I have observed a repeating pattern whenever any new car or motorcycle first comes out, in the way that early buyers who rushed out to buy it, react and behave on Internet forums. There is a gamut of behavior, with two extremes. At one extreme, there are people who nitpick and whine over every damn thing that they can think of. I think that they are distraught over the amount of money that they know that they just spent, and can’t get over it. They imagine that there are mechanical issues that are not even real. This is particularly true with motorcycles. At the other extreme of the gamut, there are people conduct themselves in an angry, aggressive, HOSTILE manner toward anyone who has the audacity to say ANYTHING even remotely negative about the car. Why do they behave this way? Do they really believe that their new car is absolutely perfect in every way? If so, they almost certainly defended their previous car in the same manner right up until the day they traded it in, and will almost certainly change their tune about their brand new car the day they trade it in. Why is it exactly that people behave in this way? Evidently, they derive so much of their sense of self-worth from their new purchase that whenever anyone points out that it is flawed in some way or another, it is much the same as telling them that their entire ancestry consists of people who are genetically inferior to the rest of the population.

The turn signal in the new IS350 is a bad, bad design. There just isn’t any getting around this, and it is just plain silly for anyone to assert otherwise. It is a bad design, and it is just that simple. Say it to yourself, and if it bugs you, repeat it until you can say it with flinching or wanting to punch someone. Bad design. Bad design. Bad design.

I have about as much use for a turn signal (setting) that automatically turns off after a fixed number of blinks (3, 5 or whatever it is) as I would have for an engine that automatically turns off after it has been running for 10 minutes. I just am not able to see any genuine, sincere purpose or value in that particular capability. And if you set aside that aspect of it, what are you left with? A turn signal that immediately returns to the middle position each time you set it, which means that turning it off manually is going to be a nuisance.

Several people here have identified various things that they would like to see Lexus change whenever they get around to changing stuff, be it the 2015 model, or in three or four years, or whenever. That is all fine, and I would not object to an extra 50 hp. But to my way of thinking, this stupidly designed turn signal is the thing that Lexus really, really needs to fix on this car. As soon as possible. And although I know that I am going to get flamed for this, probably by a lot of people, I just do not care. I have been right about a lot of things in my life, and wrong about a lot of things, but I am absolutely certain that I am right about this. I have rarely been more certain about anything, nor more right about anything. This turn signal is a really, really stupid design, and will be an annoyance for the driver from the day he/she drives it off the lot until the day he/she trades it in.

I want for lots of people to agree, so that Lexus will clearly understand that it needs to be fixed, as soon as possible. If people are unwilling to agree and insist that there isn't really anything wrong with it, Lexus will have no reason to fix it, which will be unfortunate. Lexus needs to be sent a message, loud and clear, that this is a bad design and badly needs to be fixed.

But, Internet forums being what they are, and human behavior being what it is, the only likely effect of my doing this is that a bunch of people are going to strongly disagree and call me all sorts of bad stuff, which they will do because their priorities are screwed up.

Let the flaming begin.