Why did you choose an IS over a Q50?
07-11-13, 07:52 AM
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It can be argued if there's more tech overall, but one can say "enhanced" on the Q50 in two of the safety techs I can think of:
1. Around view monitoring (360 deg cameras vs IS rear camera only)
2. Active Lane Control (nudges steering back in lane vs IS Lane Departure Alert which is an audible alert only)
1. Around view monitoring (360 deg cameras vs IS rear camera only)
2. Active Lane Control (nudges steering back in lane vs IS Lane Departure Alert which is an audible alert only)
The IS LFA gauges are simply like nothing else not the LFA. What about that?
The IS you can change the temperature with a finger
The IS has optional VGRS
Overseas, rear steer is an option
LED headlights (not HID)
LED seperate housing..this surely makes for an expensive replacement in an accident lol (smh)
The Nuluxe is not just a fake leather but environmentally friendly
etc etc (I honestly need to read up more on the IS)
Electronics are nice clearly but what about ENGINEERING. You know the actual car? Isn't that more important? For example we know the IS is based of the class leading GS platform. We know that super adhesives were used to give it a tighter chassis. We know LFA engineers had a had on the IS as the GS.
To me that is important. And I"m not saying one is better than the other but I think many here are missing or unaware of what the IS offers.
Had a 2IS loaner -- was not impressed with the quality of materials vs the Genesis and Acura's I owned. imo Acura leather is much better, the backup camera excellent -- and the Genesis had better materials through out except for several switches and lack of wood. The 2IS I had was a 2013 with 13K miles. The wood trim was nice I guess but the leather seats were already looking beat up and there were stains on them. The GUI was 2nd rate even by the standards of the Genesis which was introduced in 2009, The back up camera was terrible and looked standard definition. I really don't get the love for the 2IS. Also bothersome to me -- the yards of black boring dashboard.
Oh my -- that little bitty low def screen plopped in the middle of the dash with the sun falling on it and making it unreadable. And the exposed ventilated seat controls added like an after thought with the cheap looking dials. All in all, I didn't feel upscale in the 2013 IS -- I felt depressed. It was a depressing environment to me.
The fact that IS250 probably cost more than an Acura TL -- and does cost more than a Genesis 6 banger (delivering 330hp) really puts into perspective just how much value these brands deliver and how much of a premium a "legendary" brand can get . The world class ownership experience? I got that with the Genesis. Bought the car and never had to go to the dealer for anything except oil change at 7.5K and service at 15K.
That's world class ownership experience.
Oh my -- that little bitty low def screen plopped in the middle of the dash with the sun falling on it and making it unreadable. And the exposed ventilated seat controls added like an after thought with the cheap looking dials. All in all, I didn't feel upscale in the 2013 IS -- I felt depressed. It was a depressing environment to me.
The fact that IS250 probably cost more than an Acura TL -- and does cost more than a Genesis 6 banger (delivering 330hp) really puts into perspective just how much value these brands deliver and how much of a premium a "legendary" brand can get . The world class ownership experience? I got that with the Genesis. Bought the car and never had to go to the dealer for anything except oil change at 7.5K and service at 15K.
That's world class ownership experience.
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07-11-13, 07:54 AM
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I was refering to $750 over Dealer Invoice. I forgot to mention that I would also qualify for $750 in military money, effectively bringing me to right @ Invoice. I know that is a pretty good deal compared to what others are getting (some are paying MSRP), but I was making a comparison to the Infiniti deal, where I may get $1250 UNDER Invoice. Of course it will all also depend on the residuals and money factors of each.
07-11-13, 07:56 AM
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Where is the 'like' button? Well stated, good point! I feel better already - lol.
07-11-13, 07:59 AM
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All about personal preference, no bad car here or really in this segment. We are pretty lucky and it will be great to see the new Q50 and IS parked together repping JDM
07-11-13, 08:06 AM
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I was refering to $750 over Dealer Invoice. I forgot to mention that I would also qualify for $750 in military money, effectively bringing me to right @ Invoice. I know that is a pretty good deal compared to what others are getting (some are paying MSRP), but I was making a comparison to the Infiniti deal, where I may get $1250 UNDER Invoice. Of course it will all also depend on the residuals and money factors of each.
I was refering to $750 over Dealer Invoice. I forgot to mention that I would also qualify for $750 in military money, effectively bringing me to right @ Invoice. I know that is a pretty good deal compared to what others are getting (some are paying MSRP), but I was making a comparison to the Infiniti deal, where I may get $1250 UNDER Invoice. Of course it will all also depend on the residuals and money factors of each.
Blueprint you're so right about the engineering -- good point.
About the 2IS -- I was very careful to make it clear that is my opinion and I might add it's nowhere near expert. On the other hand it seems that I may be one of the few people on this forum who hasn't been wedded to the Lexus brand for generations. I have owned other brands and may be able to give a different perspective.
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07-11-13, 08:08 AM
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As to interesting part - it adjusts the steering wheel ratio, not just how heavy it is, just like what VGRS does in Lexus... except that it is probably cheaper to do without real connection.
07-11-13, 08:22 AM
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Also, because I lease, I think I can live with potential bugs (that probably will be fixed via software upgrades). Especially considering the short window I will have the car compared to most conventional buyers.
So I guess I don’t mind being an "unpaid beta tester" - but I like the title!
If I go with the Q50, I will try to get that on my license plate. lol
07-11-13, 09:01 AM
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So you think extending the steering rod out a few more inches is more expensive than redundant computers with all the programming that goes along with it and steering actuators and cameras that all work together? I'd love to know your basis for this assumption. It's very clear which car company is doing the bulk of the cost cutting, and charging for it.
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07-11-13, 09:12 AM
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I have to say, that I am an "early adopter" when it comes to many things "techy".
Also, because I lease, I think I can live with potential bugs (that probably will be fixed via software upgrades). Especially considering the short window I will have the car compared to most conventional buyers.
So I guess I don’t mind being an "unpaid beta tester" - but I like the title!
If I go with the Q50, I will try to get that on my license plate. lol
Also, because I lease, I think I can live with potential bugs (that probably will be fixed via software upgrades). Especially considering the short window I will have the car compared to most conventional buyers.
So I guess I don’t mind being an "unpaid beta tester" - but I like the title!
If I go with the Q50, I will try to get that on my license plate. lol
07-11-13, 09:46 AM
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So you think extending the steering rod out a few more inches is more expensive than redundant computers with all the programming that goes along with it and steering actuators and cameras that all work together? I'd love to know your basis for this assumption. It's very clear which car company is doing the bulk of the cost cutting, and charging for it.
except the 300h which is all new (the Q50 hybrid is based on existing tech) I agree that the new Q50 steering could be very very cool if it works, who wouldn't want to adjust things? On the other hand with the Lexus which was tested at numerous race tracks around the world ,the steering was chosen by engineers to provide what they felt was the best match for the car. Two ways going about different cars.
I just think its really unusual the Q50 has yet to be driven or tested yet while Lexus boldly let experts drive pre-production cars last fall to production cars this spring where it has fared very very well in comparisons.
Lets understand the IS is the rare car not for "everyone" like a more volume car like the Q50, ES or TL. Lexus having an ES allows the IS to basically go kinda crazy.
Contrarily Nissan cannot slip with the Q50 as the G37 accounted for 60-70% of sales most years this past decade.
07-11-13, 11:25 AM
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07-11-13, 11:39 AM
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Considering the IS is based on the all new GS platform and the Q50 is one again FM based, I think its fair to say Lexus spent more time on the actual car than on just electronics. Both also use the same old engines except the 300h which is all new (the Q50 hybrid is based on existing tech) I agree that the new Q50 steering could be very very cool if it works, who wouldn't want to adjust things? On the other hand with the Lexus which was tested at numerous race tracks around the world ,the steering was chosen by engineers to provide what they felt was the best match for the car.
Two ways going about different cars.
I just think its really unusual the Q50 has yet to be driven or tested yet while Lexus boldly let experts drive pre-production cars last fall to production cars this spring where it has fared very very well in comparisons.
Lets understand the IS is the rare car not for "everyone" like a more volume car like the Q50, ES or TL. Lexus having an ES allows the IS to basically go kinda crazy. Contrarily Nissan cannot slip with the Q50 as the G37 accounted for 60-70% of sales most years this past decade.
except the 300h which is all new (the Q50 hybrid is based on existing tech) I agree that the new Q50 steering could be very very cool if it works, who wouldn't want to adjust things? On the other hand with the Lexus which was tested at numerous race tracks around the world ,the steering was chosen by engineers to provide what they felt was the best match for the car. Two ways going about different cars.
I just think its really unusual the Q50 has yet to be driven or tested yet while Lexus boldly let experts drive pre-production cars last fall to production cars this spring where it has fared very very well in comparisons.
Lets understand the IS is the rare car not for "everyone" like a more volume car like the Q50, ES or TL. Lexus having an ES allows the IS to basically go kinda crazy.
Contrarily Nissan cannot slip with the Q50 as the G37 accounted for 60-70% of sales most years this past decade.
07-11-13, 12:24 PM
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I didn't mean rare as in "ferrari" but its rare in execution. I'm well aware they are both mass produced. The point is the IS has a much smaller demographic to hit, marketing is aimed at people who want to be different and the styling inside and out shows. Contrarily the Q50 sells 60-70% of Ininfiiti sales, it is their volume car and is much safer and will sell higher volume (hopefully).
07-11-13, 04:37 PM
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I have to disagree with you here. I've sat in the GS350 F-Sport which is a benchmark in its segment IMO and I've recently sat in the new IS250 F-Sport. Interior-wise, there is nothing that leaps out at me that says cheap or low rent. A GS350 owner would not feel an appreciable downgrade if he sat in the IS250 F-Sport interior