stlgrym3

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i know i am.

heyarms

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Wont it be slower than the 350?

stlgrym3

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it will be, but it'll be faster than the outgoing 250, it'll be a fantastic daily driver,

kickin8

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Yes if they offer 6MT....

FSportIS

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No I'm not. My next car will either be Lexus ISF or BMW M3 for a daily driver and autocross/track on weekends

I'm excited that Lexus go turbocharging this time though and up the IS base engine so it no longer gets the "slow car" impression.

Joelseff

I'm eager to see it but likely get a 350 or its successor.

stlgrym3

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the gen3 IS350's performance number is lagging, 5.7 sec 0-60 on a F-Sport IS350 per Motor Trend. the new NX200T does the same in 6.5 sec, and i have no doubt Lexus will tweak the 2.0 turbo for more output when put them in the IS, so the performance gap between 200T and 350 most likely won't be as big as the current 250 vs 350, unless they introduce a new V6 for 350 for model year 2016.

Jeff Lange

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Oh, yes please.



Jeff

FSportIS

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0-60 MPH wise, the 2nd IS is better than 3rd IS. However, straight line speed is not the only performance measure. The 3rd IS performed a lot better in handling than 2nd IS, no doubt about that. On autocross/track, I am very confident to say that 3rd IS will beat 2nd IS.

Look at the BMW M4 vs Lexus RCF, M4 look so much better on paper in term of HP/torque, and also way better 0-60 MPH figure, better G-force, lighter and all that. Guess what, put both cars on Willows Springs driven by a pro racer, they perform almost the same and RCF just lags 0.3 seconds away. On some other closed track, RCF even beats the M4 by few seconds. Why? Simply RCF handles better.

Bottom line is straight speed is not the end of all things, there is also handling performance which in essence, makes the car fun to drive or not. The fun to drive factor is way more important to someone who appreciates driving dynamics.

Anyways, I hope the 200T will handle good as well like the 3rd IS and if so that will be a good time for trade in the IS250 for the 200T

kinglexus99

+1 I can definitely vouch for this. My 2IS 350 felt much faster in a straight line than the 3IS 350 (I think it has to do w/ the tranny setup). However toss in some corners and the 2IS is done. The 3IS in Sport+ mode handles better than a BMW.

FSportIS

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Thank you for confirming this. Yeah, that sport+ mode is so damn fun lol. I was lucky to test drive them on autocross in Lexus event and totally WOWWWW by its handling. I got to drive the BMW 335i too and man, the Lexus even handled better than the Bimmer on that same autocross

I'm tired of hearing some people discrediting the 3IS performance solely based on 0-60MPH figure when the 3IS clearly handles so much better than the 2IS. It is also crazier when some people think a SUV with bigger HP performs better than IS250 when in fact that SUV handles like shiet lol

TsunamiF

Though the handling on the base 2IS is lacking, the F-Sport variants of the 2IS can more than hold their own compared to the 3IS F-Sport. Motor Trend provided a comparison between the 2011 IS250 F-Sport and the 2014 IS250 F-Sport. The 2IS F-Sport pulled a higher skidpad and a better time around the figure eight course compared to the 3IS F-Sport:

2011 IS250 F-Sport
Skidpad: 0.91g
MT Figure Eight: 26.2 secs

2014 IS250 F-Sport
Skidpad: 0.85g
MT Figure Eight: 27.1 secs

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...rt_first_test/

A 2IS equipped with the OEM F-Sport Accessories package will pull a skidpad of 0.89g and a slalom speed of 71 mph (which exceeds what I could find for any published 3IS F-Sport data).


There's a big reason why Lexus provided base AWD models of the 2IS as a comparison to the 3IS base and F-Sports during the test drive events when the 3rd generation made its debut.

I'm not saying that the 3IS F-Sport isn't a better driver's car than the 2IS F-Sport (either factory package or accessories package) but I'm tired of hearing misleading information that the 2IS platform has no chance compared to the 3IS platform because it is simply not true.

kickin8

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*hi-5* lol

iRock

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I'm glad someone found some numbers. I knew my 2IS with the fsport upgrades felt slightly better. I also have better tires which helps, but either way both are great cars.

To answer the question. Nope. I'm happy with my old IS

FSportIS

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That is very informative post and I get to see some new insight there. Thanks for the post.

I have IS250 F Sport factory package (upgraded to BCR coilovers), and also IS350 with F Sport accessory (lower springs, Bilstein shocks, rear sway bar) and have run them for years including on autocross/track. I'm actually impressed with the F Sport suspension and for sure I think both of my cars right now run on par if not better than the 3IS FSport version. I am not saying the 2IS suck. If they do, why would I buy 2 lol. I'm saying the 3IS have improved in the handling aspect: better road feedback, the control is more predictable, throttle is more sensitive, sport+ mode ....etc comparing to the 2IS Fsport factory.

My comparison opinions are based on my direct driving experience in both 2IS and 3IS and not any magazine.

Have you driven the IS250 and IS350 with F Sport suspension and IS250 and IS350 F Sport in 3IS in both public street and autocross/track?? If not, I would like you to test them out and you will see what I mean.

One thing I want to make clear: I like 2IS with F Sport accessory suspension (hence my name FSport lol) and impressed with the 3IS FSport right out of the box.