Will the new ES take away from IS sales?
03-16-06, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TimboIS
If you bothered to process my reply, he (rominl) said gadgets, not me! I'm simply asking him what gadgets he (rominl) is referring to. He (rominl) says "the IS can't even get close to the ES in terms of... gadgets".
03-16-06, 03:52 PM
#32
Originally Posted by Big Andy
I've never understood why Lexus persist with the ES. It was only ever a thinly disguised Camry brought out when Lexus was launched in the US to make it appear the company had a bigger range than it did and all the money had been spent on the LS400. 17 years later it's still front wheel drive and is still a Camry.
That being said, it's not a 350, and doesn't have that top quality look and feel the 350 does.
ps, FWIW the keywords in the above is "I think." I read that somewhere, but don't remember where.
03-16-06, 04:10 PM
#33
Originally Posted by dkaplan435
The 2007 Camry is a great looking car, and I think it has a detuned IS350 engine. The new ES is a great looking car (I saw it at the Chicago auto show) and I think it also has the same detuned 350 engine.
That being said, it's not a 350, and doesn't have that top quality look and feel the 350 does.
ps, FWIW the keywords in the above is "I think." I read that somewhere, but don't remember where.
That being said, it's not a 350, and doesn't have that top quality look and feel the 350 does.
ps, FWIW the keywords in the above is "I think." I read that somewhere, but don't remember where.
03-16-06, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
The ES fails back in the 90s, not only does it totally hurt Lexus credibility, it does not bring in revenue to make cars LIKe the IS.
Look at the failure of the I35 for Infiniti. Imagine that happened to Lexus?
Look at the failure of the I35 for Infiniti. Imagine that happened to Lexus?
03-16-06, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TimboIS
You're so wrong, it's not even possible to carry on a reasonable discussion. The ES is their 2nd highest selling vehicle, how can you possibly say it doesn't bring in revenue?
Its beyond gadgets. Imagine the ES fails back in the 90s, not only does it totally hurt Lexus credibility, it does not bring in revenue to make cars LIKe the IS.
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03-16-06, 06:15 PM
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I think the IS and ES are targeted toward 2 totally different demographics. You'll get the younger crowd that's looking for a sports sedan in an IS. The ES customers will be comparing it to the Toyota Avalon, and cars like the Buick Lucerne and such.
03-17-06, 08:14 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Did anyone see the damn graph posted?
Any of you IS owners hating the ES, RESPECT your older brother. The ES either is most reliable or best selling in class. It has done WONDERS for Lexus. We have ES owners that have switched to the IS.
The ES maybe based on the Camry but its more than just a fancy Camry. The ES sold 44,000 cars back in 1992. The IS is doing that with 2 models in 2006.
Any of you IS owners hating the ES, RESPECT your older brother. The ES either is most reliable or best selling in class. It has done WONDERS for Lexus. We have ES owners that have switched to the IS.
The ES maybe based on the Camry but its more than just a fancy Camry. The ES sold 44,000 cars back in 1992. The IS is doing that with 2 models in 2006.
03-17-06, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Any of you IS owners hating the ES, RESPECT your older brother. The ES either is most reliable or best selling in class. It has done WONDERS for Lexus. We have ES owners that have switched to the IS.
I don't hate the ES, and certainly wouldn't put it in the same category as the Taurus, but in my mind it's a Camry for people who want the prestige of the Lexus brand, and the kid gloves treatment of a Lexus dealership.
03-17-06, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
lol, b/c I meant to write imagine
Its beyond gadgets. Imagine the ES fails back in the 90s, not only does it totally hurt Lexus credibility, it does not bring in revenue to make cars LIKe the IS.
Shakes hands with Timbo
Its beyond gadgets. Imagine the ES fails back in the 90s, not only does it totally hurt Lexus credibility, it does not bring in revenue to make cars LIKe the IS.
Shakes hands with Timbo
03-17-06, 03:18 PM
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It does seem like a few people are dissing the ES. Maybe they're not but they're entitled to their opinions. I happen to think the ES is a very nice car. We like our 99 and mostly like all the new ES models we've driven as loaners. The interiors are very nice and the car has a classy look....certainly classier than the Camry. Acceleration hesitation is my biggest issue with the new es. Now this next gen comes along with a sportier but classier look. Also pushing 272 horses. I'm more inclined to believe it may steal sales from the LS. The looks are more similar now and with better power, why pay the 60K premium? Obviously it won't replace the LS but might just snag a couple sales. As for the IS, probably snag a couple of those too but not many. A different demographic buys the 2 different cars. I also think the new ES will steal sales from other brands, too. That 272 hp is a significant feature, bring it closer to the competition....surpasses a few.
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