torque master spark plugs....hit or hype?
08-18-09, 10:03 AM
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torque master spark plugs....hit or hype?
has anyone had experience with these?
i was reading about them online and supposedly they are great plugs because of the serious reduction on "burn delay". I'm going to be doing my plugs soon so im just curious if anyone knows anything about these and if they are any good.
i was reading about them online and supposedly they are great plugs because of the serious reduction on "burn delay". I'm going to be doing my plugs soon so im just curious if anyone knows anything about these and if they are any good.
08-18-09, 05:36 PM
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In 40 years of living around race cars and in nearly 30 years of building engines, I've never seen a magic sparkplug. I've seen plugs priced like they deliver magic but never seen it happen in real life.
08-18-09, 09:51 PM
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People who have TM's have been quite pleased with them here on CL. You can search for more info. They come with good word.
Also, https://www.clublexus.com/forums/mai...-or-denso.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/per...periences.html
Also, https://www.clublexus.com/forums/mai...-or-denso.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/per...periences.html
08-19-09, 04:34 PM
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UPDATE:
I was looking around for the cheapest price for the torque masters today and came across this site where this guy tested all these different plugs. Granted they were in a rx-7 and i dont know how long ago this was so the designs may be different now. He experienced something with the torque masters that apparently lots of other people have. Either the ceramic breaks or the metal conducter breaks and falls in. After looking around i saw posts on other sites where this has happened and it &$@^$^ up their engine for obvious reasons. One commonality between all these people though is it seemed they all were boosted. Soooo...... i dunno
anyway heres the link if you wanna check it out
http://www.silverbulletrx7.com/plugs/
I was looking around for the cheapest price for the torque masters today and came across this site where this guy tested all these different plugs. Granted they were in a rx-7 and i dont know how long ago this was so the designs may be different now. He experienced something with the torque masters that apparently lots of other people have. Either the ceramic breaks or the metal conducter breaks and falls in. After looking around i saw posts on other sites where this has happened and it &$@^$^ up their engine for obvious reasons. One commonality between all these people though is it seemed they all were boosted. Soooo...... i dunno
anyway heres the link if you wanna check it out
http://www.silverbulletrx7.com/plugs/
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08-19-09, 08:21 PM
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UPDATE:
I was looking around for the cheapest price for the torque masters today and came across this site where this guy tested all these different plugs. Granted they were in a rx-7 and i dont know how long ago this was so the designs may be different now. He experienced something with the torque masters that apparently lots of other people have. Either the ceramic breaks or the metal conducter breaks and falls in. After looking around i saw posts on other sites where this has happened and it &$@^$^ up their engine for obvious reasons. One commonality between all these people though is it seemed they all were boosted. Soooo...... i dunno
anyway heres the link if you wanna check it out
http://www.silverbulletrx7.com/plugs/
I was looking around for the cheapest price for the torque masters today and came across this site where this guy tested all these different plugs. Granted they were in a rx-7 and i dont know how long ago this was so the designs may be different now. He experienced something with the torque masters that apparently lots of other people have. Either the ceramic breaks or the metal conducter breaks and falls in. After looking around i saw posts on other sites where this has happened and it &$@^$^ up their engine for obvious reasons. One commonality between all these people though is it seemed they all were boosted. Soooo...... i dunno
anyway heres the link if you wanna check it out
http://www.silverbulletrx7.com/plugs/
FWIW, a plug with the proper heat range will beat a plug too hot or too cold every time no matter how many electrodes there are or whether they're made of copper, platinum, iridium, or palladium. The plug has ONE job - start the fire more often than not. Standard ignition systems are reliable ~88 - 92% of the time. The remainder they misfire. What may seem like a better plug might just be one a little better suited to the engine and tune you are running.
I won't say anything about Torquemaster because I've never run them. However, there have been MANY surface discharge plugs (I remember seeing them in the Warshawsky catalog when I was a kid in the 60's - before there was a JC Whitney) over the years. None have proved magical.
I put ND plugs in my 1980 Honda CB750F and in 600 miles they were crap. The engine would not run over 6000 rpm. I've run Toyota OEM ND plugs in my Supra for the last 12 years without ever having a problem and passing tailpipe checks without fail.
I've never, ever, had a problem with NGK plugs in any engine I've built or tuned. NEVER.
That's my $0.02.
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08-19-09, 08:24 PM
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I haven't had a chance to run them in my IS3. 
I've polled about this and the TM's do poll well from owners and say they see some difference. I have personally used plugs that the car ran like crap on and others it ran great and good gas mileage so you can make a difference, choose wisely. One thing I DO know is you can't go wrong running NGK no matter what else is an option.
08-20-09, 05:08 AM
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If you run too hot a heat range you can damage the porcelain with detonation. It doesn't matter if it's ND, NGK, or Torquemaster, they'll all shatter and they'll all do serious damage if you run too hot a plug in a boosted engine. Rotaries are some of the most detonation prone engines under boost too, so I can't say I'm surprised.
FWIW, a plug with the proper heat range will beat a plug too hot or too cold every time no matter how many electrodes there are or whether they're made of copper, platinum, iridium, or palladium. The plug has ONE job - start the fire more often than not. Standard ignition systems are reliable ~88 - 92% of the time. The remainder they misfire. What may seem like a better plug might just be one a little better suited to the engine and tune you are running.
I won't say anything about Torquemaster because I've never run them. However, there have been MANY surface discharge plugs (I remember seeing them in the Warshawsky catalog when I was a kid in the 60's - before there was a JC Whitney) over the years. None have proved magical.
I put ND plugs in my 1980 Honda CB750F and in 600 miles they were crap. The engine would not run over 6000 rpm. I've run Toyota OEM ND plugs in my Supra for the last 12 years without ever having a problem and passing tailpipe checks without fail.
I've never, ever, had a problem with NGK plugs in any engine I've built or tuned. NEVER.
That's my $0.02.
FWIW, a plug with the proper heat range will beat a plug too hot or too cold every time no matter how many electrodes there are or whether they're made of copper, platinum, iridium, or palladium. The plug has ONE job - start the fire more often than not. Standard ignition systems are reliable ~88 - 92% of the time. The remainder they misfire. What may seem like a better plug might just be one a little better suited to the engine and tune you are running.
I won't say anything about Torquemaster because I've never run them. However, there have been MANY surface discharge plugs (I remember seeing them in the Warshawsky catalog when I was a kid in the 60's - before there was a JC Whitney) over the years. None have proved magical.
I put ND plugs in my 1980 Honda CB750F and in 600 miles they were crap. The engine would not run over 6000 rpm. I've run Toyota OEM ND plugs in my Supra for the last 12 years without ever having a problem and passing tailpipe checks without fail.
I've never, ever, had a problem with NGK plugs in any engine I've built or tuned. NEVER.
That's my $0.02.
08-20-09, 05:11 AM
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Easy greasy...... I said everyone else said they come recommended. I haven't had a chance to run them in my IS3. I've polled about this and the TM's do poll well from owners and say they see some difference. I have personally used plugs that the car ran like crap on and others it ran great and good gas mileage so you can make a difference, choose wisely.
One thing I DO know is you can't go wrong running NGK no matter what else is an option.
I haven't had a chance to run them in my IS3. I've polled about this and the TM's do poll well from owners and say they see some difference. I have personally used plugs that the car ran like crap on and others it ran great and good gas mileage so you can make a difference, choose wisely. One thing I DO know is you can't go wrong running NGK no matter what else is an option.
i was originally going to go with bosch platinum fusions and bosch wires since ive had such great luck with them but i wanna give ngk a chance
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Easy greasy...... I said everyone else said they come recommended. I haven't had a chance to run them in my IS3. I've polled about this and the TM's do poll well from owners and say they see some difference. I have personally used plugs that the car ran like crap on and others it ran great and good gas mileage so you can make a difference, choose wisely.
One thing I DO know is you can't go wrong running NGK no matter what else is an option.
I haven't had a chance to run them in my IS3. I've polled about this and the TM's do poll well from owners and say they see some difference. I have personally used plugs that the car ran like crap on and others it ran great and good gas mileage so you can make a difference, choose wisely. One thing I DO know is you can't go wrong running NGK no matter what else is an option.
I was to busy blown smoke up your tail pipe!
08-21-09, 05:11 AM
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I switched away from them once I went FI on the GS and needed a colder range plug.
If you search the 2GS forums there are plenty of threads detailing the + / -