Add another car to the list of cars we shouldn't mess with...
#32
It does look good. The #1 thing keeping me away from BMW is the reliability angle. I had a bad experience with my only BMW (a 335i) and just haven't trusted the reliability since. I have always trusted Toyota/Lexus. So if I were looking to get rid of the ISF and get something new, I'd be more inclined to get an an RCF or even a 2013 ISF than a M3/M4. But really, I hope that in a few years Lexus has decided to bring back the ISF with power numbers comparable to what BMW is putting out.
I'm also a bit surprised that here it is almost July and Lexus still has not released "official" power and performance numbers for the RCF, nor has it listed the price for US markets.
I'm also a bit surprised that here it is almost July and Lexus still has not released "official" power and performance numbers for the RCF, nor has it listed the price for US markets.
#33
My older brother bought a new M3 and just got back from his Euro delivery. You can expect some good videos of a header/exhaust ISF versus his stock M3 as soon as it's off the boat.
#36
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1003637
Only 400 miles!! I feel bad for the owner
Only 400 miles!! I feel bad for the owner
#37
When I drop $70,000 to $100,000 for a car, it better be engaging, which the M4 clearly is not. Lagging acceleration above 7,000 rpm (despite the 7,600 rpm redline), fake cabin engine noise, and embarrassing exterior exhaust notes that are reminiscent of a Prius...a beast running the road with slippers on, IMO.
The qualities of the forced-induction engine mean initial pick-up is diminished, a result of the lagging turbos. This should have been supercharged.
A car in this class needs to engage the driver--hold the drivers attention and provide the quintessential experience. I'm telling you guys, there will be problems (again) with these turbos.
We've seen the IS F run 4.2s--stock--under the right conditions. I am expecting the RC F to break the 4 second barrier. Either way, it will take more than a couple of tenths in acceleration for the M4 to steal the RC F's thunder.
Choose wisely for your next ride, or you might end up spending far too much time eating schnitzel at Otto's BMW.
#39
When I drop $70,000 to $100,000 for a car, it better be engaging, which the M4 clearly is not. Lagging acceleration above 7,000 rpm (despite the 7,600 rpm redline), fake cabin engine noise, and embarrassing exterior exhaust notes that are reminiscent of a Prius...a beast running the road with slippers on, IMO.
The qualities of the forced-induction engine mean initial pick-up is diminished, a result of the lagging turbos. This should have been supercharged.
A car in this class needs to engage the driver--hold the drivers attention and provide the quintessential experience. I'm telling you guys, there will be problems (again) with these turbos.
We've seen the IS F run 4.2s--stock--under the right conditions. I am expecting the RC F to break the 4 second barrier. Either way, it will take more than a couple of tenths in acceleration for the M4 to steal the RC F's thunder.
Choose wisely for your next ride, or you might end up spending far too much time eating schnitzel at Otto's BMW.
Basically I want near the performance of the new M3 with Lexus looks, fit/finish, reliability, gas mileage, resale, etc. etc. etc.
#40
#42
Lexus Fanatic
I read the numbers on the new M3 and felt blown away. I cant believe that its that much faster then the ISF. New or not that is one bad *** bimmer. I just wish Lexus would build a car to beat the Germans , not meet the Germans . Always seems to fall short slightly but wins overall for reliability, drivability, etc. I just want it to be FASTER than AND reliable . Set the benchmark Lexus, enough " me too" cars.