Convince me to sell my 335 for an IS-F :)
05-17-14, 04:18 AM
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I used to have an '08 335i Sedan. I was also amazed by how much a simple tune could do for the car. I first had the JB4 and the DCIs installed. I never dynoed it, but it was pretty fast. As time went on, it started throwing codes, going into limp mode and things started breaking. I switched to Cobb's OBD tune which was a little less aggressive in hopes that it'd be kinder to the car...
I ended up going back to stock, got all the repairs done and sold the car. I thought about keeping it, but the shop warned me that the next thing due to break will likely be the turbos which would cost me another couple grand.
Long story short, the car was great when it worked, but often times it landed me in the repair shop staring at a 4-figure repair bill when all was said and done.
To this day, the BMW welcome "gong" still makes me shudder.
The growl of the ISF's v8 will help you forget about your Bimmer.
I ended up going back to stock, got all the repairs done and sold the car. I thought about keeping it, but the shop warned me that the next thing due to break will likely be the turbos which would cost me another couple grand.
Long story short, the car was great when it worked, but often times it landed me in the repair shop staring at a 4-figure repair bill when all was said and done.
To this day, the BMW welcome "gong" still makes me shudder.
The growl of the ISF's v8 will help you forget about your Bimmer.
can your 335 do this, feel da thundah!
2011 Lexus IS-F PPE Headers with PTS Joe Z Exhaust - YouTube
IS-F deleted cats, mufflers and PPE headers - YouTube
2011 Lexus IS-F PPE Headers with PTS Joe Z Exhaust - YouTube
IS-F deleted cats, mufflers and PPE headers - YouTube
Your 335i looks pretty sweet. I'd stick with it unless the reliability is killing you or if you feel like you are driving a ticking time bomb. IS-F would be a more reliable car for sure, however when looking at other aspects, which car is better than which is highly debatable and can be largely a matter of taste. You're power is already about where a full bolt-on IS-F should be and I'd want something that is an upgrade in more directions than just reliability.
Here are few F with different exhaust setup
10 IS-F fly by in NYC - YouTube
10 IS-F fly by in NYC - YouTube
Thats my F in video
2011 Lexus ISF with Intake/Exhaust/Headers - YouTube
2011 Lexus ISF with Intake/Exhaust/Headers - YouTube
I have never owned a BMW and have only test drove them a few times (330i and M3) and I think I know what "MisterSkiz" is trying to say above but just like the fact that u won't find or see many ISF on the road (personally I like that) there is limited aftermarket parts for the car and some of the good stuff will have to come from Japan (2-3 month wait) but again personally I like that...for instance even though the TOM'S carbon fiber aero kit for the ISF is somewhat popular on CL...I am (that I know of) the only one in the Tampa / St. Pete area with the whole kit installed. I like the fact that u have to search and work hard to find parts for this car...it makes modding challenging and fun. So then for the most part not every ISF around (the few that there are) have the same mods...not sure if I communciated that exactly how I mean it...I guess in a nutshell the fact that there are limited ISF's on the road and they are not that easy to mod makes them somewhat elite in my mind. Also this is IMHO but I think down the road (if that interest you) this car will be iconic as the first performance car produced by Lexus...good luck with whatever u decide but you cannot go wrong with the Performance/Luxury of the ISF...period...
05-17-14, 11:45 AM
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To the OP,
I have owned an '09 CPO ISF which I traded in for a '12 and both were great cars. The '09 did have a leaking water pump that was replaced under warranty and a bad right front bearing that was also replaced under warranty. The latter was due, I found out, to the car being in an accident. Now, the '12 I drove for about 9700 trouble free miles before trading it in on a '13 C63 AMG/P31/LSD and a bunch of other stuff. A personal decision based on desire as I had been eying these since '09. Anyway, the IS F is more than you may realize: Titanium intake valves, sodium filled exhaust valves, hollow cam shafts with highly polished lobes, forged steel crankshaft with sintered iron alloy connecting rods and lightweight pistons. Plus the engine has a secondary oil pump to force oiling of vital engine parts during high-g cornering. The transmission is also able to withstand 700 + lbs of torque from what I have read. So even in stock form it is a great car that has been built for the track but is fine on the street. Also, in the 2011 Car and Driver Lightning lap at VIR the M3 Coupe with the new sports package did 3:05.4....So did the 2011 IS F on its street tires and both were faster than the 2011 C63. In short, you can't go wrong with the IS F. I rarely see an IS F and since owning the C63 I have seen four other C63s so far. Why the IS F is so ignored is beyond me. Maybe out of fear?
I have owned an '09 CPO ISF which I traded in for a '12 and both were great cars. The '09 did have a leaking water pump that was replaced under warranty and a bad right front bearing that was also replaced under warranty. The latter was due, I found out, to the car being in an accident. Now, the '12 I drove for about 9700 trouble free miles before trading it in on a '13 C63 AMG/P31/LSD and a bunch of other stuff. A personal decision based on desire as I had been eying these since '09. Anyway, the IS F is more than you may realize: Titanium intake valves, sodium filled exhaust valves, hollow cam shafts with highly polished lobes, forged steel crankshaft with sintered iron alloy connecting rods and lightweight pistons. Plus the engine has a secondary oil pump to force oiling of vital engine parts during high-g cornering. The transmission is also able to withstand 700 + lbs of torque from what I have read. So even in stock form it is a great car that has been built for the track but is fine on the street. Also, in the 2011 Car and Driver Lightning lap at VIR the M3 Coupe with the new sports package did 3:05.4....So did the 2011 IS F on its street tires and both were faster than the 2011 C63. In short, you can't go wrong with the IS F. I rarely see an IS F and since owning the C63 I have seen four other C63s so far. Why the IS F is so ignored is beyond me. Maybe out of fear?
05-17-14, 12:52 PM
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The ISF build quality and reliability are what sold me. It feels hardcore and it can still be luxurious. The ISF feels like its built like a tank. Like it can take SERIOUS abuse. BMW cant be the ultimate driving machine if its in the shop all the time. I have so many friends with the current 3 series that love them but always seem frustrated with little issues ( mostly electrical) that still have them going back to the dealership. The ISF is a stress free sports sedan that will last and you will not see one on every corner . 3 series is WAY to common. The 3 series is an amazing car but I want a more well rounded and reliable package
05-17-14, 01:15 PM
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IMO, brotha, it'll all come down to getting into an F and whether or not it feels like an ideal fit. These particular cars (and others mentioned in this thread; C63, etc) are all SICK rides and we should feel very fortunate to even play at this price point...most don't have the means, knowledge, etc. to even know what they're shopping for.
If you like the four doors, the interior, the ridiculously orgasmic sound when the secondary intake opens up, the mysterious/rare/sleeper status, suspension, etc. then why not give it a shot? From a pure risk standpoint, the worst that happens is a couple months go by and it's not a perfect fit for ya, and you list it for essentially the amount you paid for it and start the process again.
But I have a strong feeling you won't be able to resist the temptation of selling the 335 and replacing it with an ISF. Until you do, sleep will be lost....daydreaming will frequently occur....work productivity will decrease....plus, since most BMW's are literally available everywhere, all the time, you can always switch back if it's best for you.
If you like the four doors, the interior, the ridiculously orgasmic sound when the secondary intake opens up, the mysterious/rare/sleeper status, suspension, etc. then why not give it a shot? From a pure risk standpoint, the worst that happens is a couple months go by and it's not a perfect fit for ya, and you list it for essentially the amount you paid for it and start the process again.
But I have a strong feeling you won't be able to resist the temptation of selling the 335 and replacing it with an ISF. Until you do, sleep will be lost....daydreaming will frequently occur....work productivity will decrease....plus, since most BMW's are literally available everywhere, all the time, you can always switch back if it's best for you.
05-17-14, 02:28 PM
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To the OP,
I have owned an '09 CPO ISF which I traded in for a '12 and both were great cars. The '09 did have a leaking water pump that was replaced under warranty and a bad right front bearing that was also replaced under warranty. The latter was due, I found out, to the car being in an accident. Now, the '12 I drove for about 9700 trouble free miles before trading it in on a '13 C63 AMG/P31/LSD and a bunch of other stuff. A personal decision based on desire as I had been eying these since '09. Anyway, the IS F is more than you may realize: Titanium intake valves, sodium filled exhaust valves, hollow cam shafts with highly polished lobes, forged steel crankshaft with sintered iron alloy connecting rods and lightweight pistons. Plus the engine has a secondary oil pump to force oiling of vital engine parts during high-g cornering. The transmission is also able to withstand 700 + lbs of torque from what I have read. So even in stock form it is a great car that has been built for the track but is fine on the street. Also, in the 2011 Car and Driver Lightning lap at VIR the M3 Coupe with the new sports package did 3:05.4....So did the 2011 IS F on its street tires and both were faster than the 2011 C63. In short, you can't go wrong with the IS F. I rarely see an IS F and since owning the C63 I have seen four other C63s so far. Why the IS F is so ignored is beyond me. Maybe out of fear?
I have owned an '09 CPO ISF which I traded in for a '12 and both were great cars. The '09 did have a leaking water pump that was replaced under warranty and a bad right front bearing that was also replaced under warranty. The latter was due, I found out, to the car being in an accident. Now, the '12 I drove for about 9700 trouble free miles before trading it in on a '13 C63 AMG/P31/LSD and a bunch of other stuff. A personal decision based on desire as I had been eying these since '09. Anyway, the IS F is more than you may realize: Titanium intake valves, sodium filled exhaust valves, hollow cam shafts with highly polished lobes, forged steel crankshaft with sintered iron alloy connecting rods and lightweight pistons. Plus the engine has a secondary oil pump to force oiling of vital engine parts during high-g cornering. The transmission is also able to withstand 700 + lbs of torque from what I have read. So even in stock form it is a great car that has been built for the track but is fine on the street. Also, in the 2011 Car and Driver Lightning lap at VIR the M3 Coupe with the new sports package did 3:05.4....So did the 2011 IS F on its street tires and both were faster than the 2011 C63. In short, you can't go wrong with the IS F. I rarely see an IS F and since owning the C63 I have seen four other C63s so far. Why the IS F is so ignored is beyond me. Maybe out of fear?
The ISF build quality and reliability are what sold me. It feels hardcore and it can still be luxurious. The ISF feels like its built like a tank. Like it can take SERIOUS abuse. BMW cant be the ultimate driving machine if its in the shop all the time. I have so many friends with the current 3 series that love them but always seem frustrated with little issues ( mostly electrical) that still have them going back to the dealership. The ISF is a stress free sports sedan that will last and you will not see one on every corner . 3 series is WAY to common. The 3 series is an amazing car but I want a more well rounded and reliable package
IMO, brotha, it'll all come down to getting into an F and whether or not it feels like an ideal fit. These particular cars (and others mentioned in this thread; C63, etc) are all SICK rides and we should feel very fortunate to even play at this price point...most don't have the means, knowledge, etc. to even know what they're shopping for.
If you like the four doors, the interior, the ridiculously orgasmic sound when the secondary intake opens up, the mysterious/rare/sleeper status, suspension, etc. then why not give it a shot? From a pure risk standpoint, the worst that happens is a couple months go by and it's not a perfect fit for ya, and you list it for essentially the amount you paid for it and start the process again.
But I have a strong feeling you won't be able to resist the temptation of selling the 335 and replacing it with an ISF. Until you do, sleep will be lost....daydreaming will frequently occur....work productivity will decrease....plus, since most BMW's are literally available everywhere, all the time, you can always switch back if it's best for you.
If you like the four doors, the interior, the ridiculously orgasmic sound when the secondary intake opens up, the mysterious/rare/sleeper status, suspension, etc. then why not give it a shot? From a pure risk standpoint, the worst that happens is a couple months go by and it's not a perfect fit for ya, and you list it for essentially the amount you paid for it and start the process again.
But I have a strong feeling you won't be able to resist the temptation of selling the 335 and replacing it with an ISF. Until you do, sleep will be lost....daydreaming will frequently occur....work productivity will decrease....plus, since most BMW's are literally available everywhere, all the time, you can always switch back if it's best for you.
05-17-14, 03:03 PM
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Wow I didn't know the F motor was build that strongly! Also since you have had both an 09 and a 12 would you say the price difference between lets say an 08 to 12 is justifiable for all the extras in the 2011+ models such as the lsd, upgraded suspension, and headlights? I have seen a 2008 for as low as $36k with only 36k miles, a 2010 for $39k with only 35k miles and then most 2011's I have found are mid 40k, so is the 8-10k price difference worth it for all the added features?
the upgraded suspension you get in the '11 is very noticeable. you know lexus relentlessly pursues, so you can imagine what they learned in the 3 years it was out and all the tweaks and improvements they added....plus like you mentioned i think the new headlights make the frontend look a lot more updated since the housing is black and it has the cool led strips. dooooooooo it!!!
05-17-14, 03:04 PM
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To the OP,
I have owned an '09 CPO ISF which I traded in for a '12 and both were great cars. The '09 did have a leaking water pump that was replaced under warranty and a bad right front bearing that was also replaced under warranty. The latter was due, I found out, to the car being in an accident. Now, the '12 I drove for about 9700 trouble free miles before trading it in on a '13 C63 AMG/P31/LSD and a bunch of other stuff. A personal decision based on desire as I had been eying these since '09. Anyway, the IS F is more than you may realize: Titanium intake valves, sodium filled exhaust valves, hollow cam shafts with highly polished lobes, forged steel crankshaft with sintered iron alloy connecting rods and lightweight pistons. Plus the engine has a secondary oil pump to force oiling of vital engine parts during high-g cornering. The transmission is also able to withstand 700 + lbs of torque from what I have read. So even in stock form it is a great car that has been built for the track but is fine on the street. Also, in the 2011 Car and Driver Lightning lap at VIR the M3 Coupe with the new sports package did 3:05.4....So did the 2011 IS F on its street tires and both were faster than the 2011 C63. In short, you can't go wrong with the IS F. I rarely see an IS F and since owning the C63 I have seen four other C63s so far. Why the IS F is so ignored is beyond me. Maybe out of fear?
I have owned an '09 CPO ISF which I traded in for a '12 and both were great cars. The '09 did have a leaking water pump that was replaced under warranty and a bad right front bearing that was also replaced under warranty. The latter was due, I found out, to the car being in an accident. Now, the '12 I drove for about 9700 trouble free miles before trading it in on a '13 C63 AMG/P31/LSD and a bunch of other stuff. A personal decision based on desire as I had been eying these since '09. Anyway, the IS F is more than you may realize: Titanium intake valves, sodium filled exhaust valves, hollow cam shafts with highly polished lobes, forged steel crankshaft with sintered iron alloy connecting rods and lightweight pistons. Plus the engine has a secondary oil pump to force oiling of vital engine parts during high-g cornering. The transmission is also able to withstand 700 + lbs of torque from what I have read. So even in stock form it is a great car that has been built for the track but is fine on the street. Also, in the 2011 Car and Driver Lightning lap at VIR the M3 Coupe with the new sports package did 3:05.4....So did the 2011 IS F on its street tires and both were faster than the 2011 C63. In short, you can't go wrong with the IS F. I rarely see an IS F and since owning the C63 I have seen four other C63s so far. Why the IS F is so ignored is beyond me. Maybe out of fear?
The ISF build quality and reliability are what sold me. It feels hardcore and it can still be luxurious. The ISF feels like its built like a tank. Like it can take SERIOUS abuse. BMW cant be the ultimate driving machine if its in the shop all the time. I have so many friends with the current 3 series that love them but always seem frustrated with little issues ( mostly electrical) that still have them going back to the dealership. The ISF is a stress free sports sedan that will last and you will not see one on every corner . 3 series is WAY to common. The 3 series is an amazing car but I want a more well rounded and reliable package
05-17-14, 05:10 PM
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I have owned two BMW's in the past. A 5 series and an M roadster, the 5 series had 50000KM on it and was at the dealer every two to three weeks for many random issues which included the replacement of the automatic transmission shifter and all associated equipment, the tranny seal, constant adjustment of Rpms because when stopped, the car always felt it wanted to stall, no heat AT ALL. engine temp up but after an hour of driving still no heat, the head mechanic told me it was normal cabin temp, bad paint pealing off the roof moldings and stupid little noises constantly that would annoy the hell out of me. A sensor also had to be replaced but I don't recall which one. Never cost me a dime but a lot of time. The car was garbage and couldn't wait to get rid of it. The roadster had a few issues of its own. Head light flicker on and off, rear main seal and the third brake light constantly cracking. The roadster had 38000KM.
To conclude, BMW's are the biggest piles of garbage ever made. I will never own another.
To conclude, BMW's are the biggest piles of garbage ever made. I will never own another.
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05-18-14, 01:15 AM
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I've been tracking the car hard, it never gives out. No brake fade, no overheating, lap after lap. Wave to the M3 drivers as they pull into the pits because of spongy brakes as your ISF keeps going. Keep up the service intervals, replace tyres and brake pads/rotors when needed and the car will last you a long time. I find that it's more important to learn to drive the car properly, the ISF is extremely capable in the right hands (especially 2011+ year models).
05-18-14, 06:59 AM
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has anyone thought about buying an 08 for over 10k less but adding an LSD like OS Giken, someones 2011+ take off suspension or aftermarket suspension, 2011+ steering ECU. Then still have leftover money for I/H/E. Sure you wont have other things like the 2011 gauges, flash based navigation.
05-19-14, 03:22 PM
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imo yes. i regret not just biting the bullet and getting an '11. am going to upgrade really as soon as i find the right deal on one. the interior is also much nicer imo since you get the alcantara inserts in the seats, they hold you in much better and gives the car a nice luxurious touch i think.
the upgraded suspension you get in the '11 is very noticeable. you know lexus relentlessly pursues, so you can imagine what they learned in the 3 years it was out and all the tweaks and improvements they added....plus like you mentioned i think the new headlights make the frontend look a lot more updated since the housing is black and it has the cool led strips. dooooooooo it!!!
the upgraded suspension you get in the '11 is very noticeable. you know lexus relentlessly pursues, so you can imagine what they learned in the 3 years it was out and all the tweaks and improvements they added....plus like you mentioned i think the new headlights make the frontend look a lot more updated since the housing is black and it has the cool led strips. dooooooooo it!!!
I have owned two BMW's in the past. A 5 series and an M roadster, the 5 series had 50000KM on it and was at the dealer every two to three weeks for many random issues which included the replacement of the automatic transmission shifter and all associated equipment, the tranny seal, constant adjustment of Rpms because when stopped, the car always felt it wanted to stall, no heat AT ALL. engine temp up but after an hour of driving still no heat, the head mechanic told me it was normal cabin temp, bad paint pealing off the roof moldings and stupid little noises constantly that would annoy the hell out of me. A sensor also had to be replaced but I don't recall which one. Never cost me a dime but a lot of time. The car was garbage and couldn't wait to get rid of it. The roadster had a few issues of its own. Head light flicker on and off, rear main seal and the third brake light constantly cracking. The roadster had 38000KM.
To conclude, BMW's are the biggest piles of garbage ever made. I will never own another.
To conclude, BMW's are the biggest piles of garbage ever made. I will never own another.
I've been tracking the car hard, it never gives out. No brake fade, no overheating, lap after lap. Wave to the M3 drivers as they pull into the pits because of spongy brakes as your ISF keeps going. Keep up the service intervals, replace tyres and brake pads/rotors when needed and the car will last you a long time. I find that it's more important to learn to drive the car properly, the ISF is extremely capable in the right hands (especially 2011+ year models).
05-19-14, 04:31 PM
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I don't think buying an 08, then adding all the mechanicals to make it "like a 2011+" is worth the all the potential issues. Changing out the diff, steering ECU, and suspension parts will probably be more than $10k after labor and parts.
Just wait and save a bit more to get a 2011+ with drivetrain warranty at least.
Just wait and save a bit more to get a 2011+ with drivetrain warranty at least.
has anyone thought about buying an 08 for over 10k less but adding an LSD like OS Giken, someones 2011+ take off suspension or aftermarket suspension, 2011+ steering ECU. Then still have leftover money for I/H/E. Sure you wont have other things like the 2011 gauges, flash based navigation.
