ISF350

RCF will weight at near 4,000 lbs after set and done. This is a scary boat to move around. A new upgrade power/weight replacement of the old SC430 cruiser. I looked at the RCF test run video at the Ring, car look so heavy thru each corner like runner can't lift the feet. Diffinitely, RCF won't be agile, nimble, performance driver car but a luxury coupe. I rather have the ISF version as more practical 4 door luxury than a 2 door luxury.

lobuxracer

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I doubt it will be scary, but it is definitely disappointing. If I wanted a 4000 lb car to play Schumacher at the track I'd get a GTR and not look back at all. I'm sure the RCF will be impressive, but not sure it will be nearly as impressive as if it weighed in 400 lbs less.

People will cross shop the RCF with the GTR. It won't be hard to figure out where the best use of your money is if you're looking for mechanical performance.

vbb

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I am going to be super curious to see what the RCF has for sales volume. If I'm not mistaken, 2008 was the biggest year for the ISF and Lexus sold about 4000 of them worldwide, or over a third of all the ISFs sold in the entire 7 year production run. I'd be surprised if the RCF comes anywhere close to that, particularly if the price is thousands more than the ISF.

The RCF should be aiming at the M4, but it seems like it's aiming more at the S5 or maybe even the M6. It would be hard for me to imagine someone who is seriously considering a GTR to opt for an RCF instead.

Diesel350

I doubt anyone will cross shop an RC-F with a GT-R. The GT-R is $30k plus more. Plus the GT-R is one of the worst selling cars out there today. If someone wants to be in a real sports car they will just move on to a Vette.

Lexura1414

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I am cross shopping a used 2012 or 2013 GT-R with a brand new RC-F.

TeeLex

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Really?????

Weapon F

In my opinion at nearly 4000 lb nearest rival is the c63 P31AMG 481 HP 443TQ. RCF looks to be heavier than both the sedan and Coupe C63. RCF will probably have very similar performs numbers to the c63 p31 AMG. To me RS5, C63 are closer to RC-F when you compare weight, hp,tq more of GT Coupe then lighter weight M4.

Diesel350

Exactly my point. People cross shop cars in the same price range. Not $30k more.

You are going for a USED GT-R in the same price range as a brand new RC-F.

imp0rted1

don't fret 4 door fans:


http://www.themotorreport.com.au/581...e-works-report

phm14

I chose a 2011 IS F over the RC F. I was ready for a vehicle change now, and I like the price better than the ~$70K I'm expecting the RC F to come in at. I may look at a used RC F in 3 years or so, after they have some miles on them. As far as the C7 goes, I really wanted to to like it, but it looks like preserving the "old" GM vs a re-organization was another huge federal mistake. It's a shame GM screwed up such an opportunity with the C7-so much anticipation for the car. After reading this 47 page nightmare thread, there's no way I'd pay for these headaches:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ns-thread.html

ISF001

I was told last month that there will be a new ISF...we'll see and hear soon enough.

kesando

I hope so! Fingers crossed

vbb

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Agreed. The RCF is done and the GSF is almost a certainty as well. A new ISF would be perfect.

Lexura1414

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I am sorry that I missed your point that we are discussing a BRAND NEW GT-R..

eoph

It's hard to compare new with used......else u can say no one in their right mind would buy a civic......just buy something luxurious used for 20k.