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Old 09-17-13, 09:23 AM
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Joez u r over due on these headers , get it now !!! lolz
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Originally Posted by Joe Z
Many of us Live in "California Dreaming"...
Its ONLY illegal if you get caught...
But seriously, if I were to do headers I would install a set of CATs on my X-Pipe...
No way I would go 100% catless... Gotta save the environment for our kids..
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Yeah, I would put a set of RandomTechnology hi-flow cats on the X-pipe, for the kids outthere
but also to reduce the raspiness of the catless system. Making it less loud and sounding more exotic IMO.

I am just scared of not passing the sniffer. (not worried about the visual)
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Originally Posted by Rossi
Yeah, I would put a set of RandomTechnology hi-flow cats on the X-pipe, for the kids outthere
but also to reduce the raspiness of the catless system. Making it less loud and sounding more exotic IMO.

I am just scared of not passing the sniffer. (not worried about the visual)
Thats the one thing thats holding me back on this purchase as well...
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Has anyone measured the gains from the PPE headers with cats vs without cats? Obvious it would be less, but how much less?

Like a few of you other guys, if I were to get headers, I'd run them with cats installed. I've been of the general impression that having cats installed take away much of the gains, and therefore it wouldn't really be worth the money, which is why I don't have headers.
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Originally Posted by vbb
Has anyone measured the gains from the PPE headers with cats vs without cats? Obvious it would be less, but how much less?

Like a few of you other guys, if I were to get headers, I'd run them with cats installed. I've been of the general impression that having cats installed take away much of the gains, and therefore it wouldn't really be worth the money, which is why I don't have headers.
The power is not gained just from deleting the CATs....

The header design FLOWS way better than the OEM manifolds..

Same goes for the exhaust systems...
Pipes designed & bent for proper flow will work better than perse the oem tubing that varies in size in several locations and also goes from 2-1-2 design. (with a crushed Y area as well)

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Originally Posted by vbb
Has anyone measured the gains from the PPE headers with cats vs without cats? Obvious it would be less, but how much less?
Like a few of you other guys, if I were to get headers, I'd run them with cats installed. I've been of the general impression that having cats installed take away much of the gains, and therefore it wouldn't really be worth the money, which is why I don't have headers.
Here you go....

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/clu...flow-cats.html
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I vote for JoeZ to chop up his exhaust and show us how it's done! PPE / JoeZ combo.
Would you put the cats where the straight section is just in front of the x-pipe?

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Originally Posted by Joe Z
The power is not gained just from deleting the CATs....

The header design FLOWS way better than the OEM manifolds..
Oh, I know this. I wasn't saying the headers didn't increase HP too. My question was how much are the HP gains from the PPE headers diminished if someone runs cats instead of catless. If the headers are a proven +35whp on an otherwise stock ISF, are we looking at +30whp with headers and cats, or only say a +15hp gain?

Originally Posted by Rossi
If this is also true for cars running headers, that's impressive. These are the first high flow cats I've ever seen that apparently don't cause any drop in HP at all. Can that possibly be correct?
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Originally Posted by vbb
Oh, I know this. I wasn't saying the headers didn't increase HP too. My question was how much are the HP gains from the PPE headers diminished if someone runs cats instead of catless. If the headers are a proven +35whp on an otherwise stock ISF, are we looking at +30whp with headers and cats, or only say a +15hp gain?


If this is also true for cars running headers, that's impressive. These are the first high flow cats I've ever seen that apparently don't cause any drop in HP at all. Can that possibly be correct?
Its correct. Those are my results when I had the cats installed on my previous JoeZ exhaust to quiet it down. Story below:

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...s-here-13.html
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Originally Posted by vbb
Has anyone measured the gains from the PPE headers with cats vs without cats? Obvious it would be less, but how much less?

Like a few of you other guys, if I were to get headers, I'd run them with cats installed. I've been of the general impression that having cats installed take away much of the gains, and therefore it wouldn't really be worth the money, which is why I don't have headers.
Yes, I have. My F has PPE headers, Magnaflow Hi flow cats and a fabricated full dual exhaust utilizing an "X" pipe, glass pack resonators and modified stock mufflers. My friend's F has PPE headers, JoeZ exhaust, and no cats. I have a Takeda Intake, he has an Injen.

I'm the Green curve, he's the Blue.

Both runs were done on the same day, back to back.

Aslo enclosing various pics of my fabricated exhaust system.

Lou
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I've seen plenty of exhausts with cats installed where there was no power loss. It's a matter of getting it all done right. Random used to brag about their zero power loss systems. It can be done.


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