German Performance -> Japanese Performance Convert?
08-12-13, 03:06 PM
#31
If you are not married and don't have kids, what the hell is stopping your from buying a Porsche if you can afford it? I will be buying my GT-R soon as I am kid less but married. Anyways, if you are considering an Audi, I can tell you from personal experience that their reliability is better but still below Lexus.
08-12-13, 03:09 PM
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I've been on the benz forums and I've read about E63s needing to replace headgaskets after 50k miles. I like the new german styling (E63 AMG, S7/RS7 S5, no BMWs), but the reliability aspect scares the crap out of me.
If you're looking for more of a "fling" than a "marriage" to a performance vehicle and don't want to have to deal with long term issues, I would HIGHLY recommend leasing any vehicle you're remotely curious in. By that, I don't mean signing a full 3-year lease with a dealership with a few grand down at drive off... I mean lease takeovers.
Take a look at sites such as:
leasetrader.com
swapalease.com
A lot of times, you'll quite literally take over the person's lease without money down. Then, after you're done, on to the next!
Take a look at sites such as:
leasetrader.com
swapalease.com
A lot of times, you'll quite literally take over the person's lease without money down. Then, after you're done, on to the next!
Guess to Toyota owners a tranny going out is not a "not so bad" thing nor is paying $4000 to fix it at 87Kmi. Toyota owners are spoiled (and rightfully so) by the reliability of the brand and stuff that many BMW owners consider "ehh thats not bad " to Toyota owners is "WTF do you mean my tranny needs to be replaced??!, this car is a POS!"
To many (not all) we bought this car because Toyota finally answered our cries for a serious performance car with big power...and no its not the "BEST" performer nor is it the "fastest" out the box....but pound for pound ...it will outlast anything out there and with little issue...because Toyota built it. and to us that still means something.
So yeah expect us to crap on the German build if anything for its "not to our standard of reliability" factor.
We dont know anything about blown trannies and stuff. that kind of stuff is almost unheard of 'round these parts..lol
To many (not all) we bought this car because Toyota finally answered our cries for a serious performance car with big power...and no its not the "BEST" performer nor is it the "fastest" out the box....but pound for pound ...it will outlast anything out there and with little issue...because Toyota built it. and to us that still means something.
So yeah expect us to crap on the German build if anything for its "not to our standard of reliability" factor.
We dont know anything about blown trannies and stuff. that kind of stuff is almost unheard of 'round these parts..lol
Owning a high performance car for over 100k miles, spending only $4000 in repairs/maintenance (minus oil changes, tires, brakes, all wear and tear items, which all don't count), that's not too shabby....You gotta admit, the IS F will spoil you in terms of reliability.
Some people say that you gotta pay to play... Do some of you guys think that owning a high performance car, but paying a bunch of money on maintenance, repairs, and just stuff breaking all the time is worth owning ?
08-12-13, 03:12 PM
#33
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If you are not married and don't have kids, what the hell is stopping your from buying a Porsche if you can afford it? I will be buying my GT-R soon as I am kid less but married. Anyways, if you are considering an Audi, I can tell you from personal experience that their reliability is better but still below Lexus.
08-12-13, 03:25 PM
#34
Well, I did not have a high performance Audi like an RS4 or RS6. I had an A4 convertible which I replaced with an A5 cabriolet. I can tell you that the 2004 A4 was a horrible experience but the 2010 A5 has so far been reliable. Other than burning oil which according to the Audi service advisor is normal, it has not shown any real problems. It currently has 58,000 miles and still running smooth. I think the RS5 maybe more reliable than people expect it to be as Audi has probably fixed its issues as it is passed its mid model year. Good luck with whatever you go with..
08-12-13, 03:30 PM
#35
I recently sold my 2008 Audi S5 (6 speed) with 55K miles. It was a really fun car, but I got very tired of some of the subtle issues that came along with it. My biggest annoyances were really the carbon build-up issues the car had due to the pure direct-injection, and the fact that I had to replace the clutch by 35K miles. The carbon removal on the valves had to be done by taking apart the itake manifold (it'l' run you around $1K...and some guys were finding performance decreasing build-up by 25K miles), and the clutch replacement really pissed me off because I didn't even drive the car hard. The other thing to consider is the fact that if you like to work on the car yourself, be prepared to spend some money on specialty tools and 3x what you should be paying for parts...
All in all, the Audi was a really nice car and I may consider another someday...but for the time being, I very happily turned to the reliability and performance of the IS-F
All in all, the Audi was a really nice car and I may consider another someday...but for the time being, I very happily turned to the reliability and performance of the IS-F
08-12-13, 03:52 PM
#36
I went from a 2003 996 to a BMW 535i, then to my F.
The BMW is a POS. Hence
The 996 was a great car, and easily out handles the F. Power to weight ratio is nearly identical, but the ride quality is vastly different. The F’s ride is much better and having owned both now, I’ll take the F over the 996, with a caveat below.
Not sure what year 911 you are looking at getting, but the 996 is a lot like a full sized go-kart with a very gnarly engine. It is a great second car, but it was my primary car and therefore limited a lot of what the F is useful for. I have one car at a time. I have owned multiple cars simultaneously before, but I always end up just driving one 99% of the time so I just stick to one now. However, if I ever get back into owning multiple cars, a 911 variant will definitely be one of them.
I looked at getting an S5 when considering the F during the lemon lawing of the Bavarian Shizaworks Turd. I read numerous complaints about excessive carbon build up in the intakes, problematic paint issues and ubiquitous interior rattles and buzzes. After my BMW nightmare, I am glad I went to the ISF. I have no regrets and the F outperforms the BMW in every aspect.
The BMW is a POS. Hence
The 996 was a great car, and easily out handles the F. Power to weight ratio is nearly identical, but the ride quality is vastly different. The F’s ride is much better and having owned both now, I’ll take the F over the 996, with a caveat below.
Not sure what year 911 you are looking at getting, but the 996 is a lot like a full sized go-kart with a very gnarly engine. It is a great second car, but it was my primary car and therefore limited a lot of what the F is useful for. I have one car at a time. I have owned multiple cars simultaneously before, but I always end up just driving one 99% of the time so I just stick to one now. However, if I ever get back into owning multiple cars, a 911 variant will definitely be one of them.
I looked at getting an S5 when considering the F during the lemon lawing of the Bavarian Shizaworks Turd. I read numerous complaints about excessive carbon build up in the intakes, problematic paint issues and ubiquitous interior rattles and buzzes. After my BMW nightmare, I am glad I went to the ISF. I have no regrets and the F outperforms the BMW in every aspect.
Audi S line is boring as fuq with no heritage, performance, nor reliability to show for.
And let's not be a complete fan boy. BMW makes awesome cars and has a line-up a lot more attractive than Lexus. Top to bottom, they only trail Porsche in interesting cars sold.
08-12-13, 03:58 PM
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If your budget is 85k, get a used GTR and never look back. You will not find anything else that matches it's performance for the money. A 997 turbo comes close but the GTR is just that much better in every category.
If you're looking for a wow factor, get a used gallardo (yes you can find them for 85k). The engines & transmissions are bulletproof and can handle loads of power including over 1500whp+.
If you're looking for a wow factor, get a used gallardo (yes you can find them for 85k). The engines & transmissions are bulletproof and can handle loads of power including over 1500whp+.
08-12-13, 04:02 PM
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@ OP - Umm yeah, good luck with that son. I'll step out of this particular thread though so you can get on with the task at hand...FINALLY moving you into your next car and stopping all the whining.
08-12-13, 04:04 PM
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08-12-13, 04:10 PM
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08-12-13, 04:15 PM
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I LOVED my 996 C4S and it is a lot more fun/special to own than the ISF, but I'd never recommend an M96/7 engine to anyone at this juncture. It's just not good long-term prop with the IMS threat. Engine is approaching 15 years old.
Audi S line is boring as fuq with no heritage, performance, nor reliability to show for.
And let's not be a complete fan boy. BMW makes awesome cars and has a line-up a lot more attractive than Lexus. Top to bottom, they only trail Porsche in interesting cars sold.
Audi S line is boring as fuq with no heritage, performance, nor reliability to show for.
And let's not be a complete fan boy. BMW makes awesome cars and has a line-up a lot more attractive than Lexus. Top to bottom, they only trail Porsche in interesting cars sold.
If your budget is 85k, get a used GTR and never look back. You will not find anything else that matches it's performance for the money. A 997 turbo comes close but the GTR is just that much better in every category.
If you're looking for a wow factor, get a used gallardo (yes you can find them for 85k). The engines & transmissions are bulletproof and can handle loads of power including over 1500whp+.
If you're looking for a wow factor, get a used gallardo (yes you can find them for 85k). The engines & transmissions are bulletproof and can handle loads of power including over 1500whp+.
08-13-13, 06:58 AM
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If your budget is 85k, get a used GTR and never look back. You will not find anything else that matches it's performance for the money. A 997 turbo comes close but the GTR is just that much better in every category.
If you're looking for a wow factor, get a used gallardo (yes you can find them for 85k). The engines & transmissions are bulletproof and can handle loads of power including over 1500whp+.
If you're looking for a wow factor, get a used gallardo (yes you can find them for 85k). The engines & transmissions are bulletproof and can handle loads of power including over 1500whp+.
Agreed. E-gear had a lot of issues. 6-speed is the way to go.
Anyways I understand your indecisiveness... I don't know about you but deciding on the F was pretty easy, I wanted everything in one package. No other car has it besides the F. But upgrading FROM it is a tough decision because it's hard to find that in any other car.
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08-13-13, 08:04 AM
#44
Not sure what everyone else thinks, but I am really loving this car, http://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/12/2...w-first-drive/
Not sure where Jaguar sits as far as reliability, and yes, it isn't the fastest for the price, but damn it's good looking, IMO.
Not sure where Jaguar sits as far as reliability, and yes, it isn't the fastest for the price, but damn it's good looking, IMO.