Alternate Brake Pads
#16
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No, I didn't forget, but I didn't think people were going to wade through 8 pages of stuff to get to a brake pad discussion.
I'll be visiting Carbotech on Friday to see what they have and what they recommend. I'm really tired of the excessive dust, so in all likelihood I'll get street and track pads from them. Carbotech has a really good reputation in the Supra community, so I suspect they'll have something I'll like.
FWIW, I've run Hawk HPS on my Supra for ~90k miles - they've not worn out nor have they eaten the discs. Pretty good street pads to say the least.
I'll be visiting Carbotech on Friday to see what they have and what they recommend. I'm really tired of the excessive dust, so in all likelihood I'll get street and track pads from them. Carbotech has a really good reputation in the Supra community, so I suspect they'll have something I'll like.
FWIW, I've run Hawk HPS on my Supra for ~90k miles - they've not worn out nor have they eaten the discs. Pretty good street pads to say the least.
#17
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I have been using the Carbotech Ceramics for a 1000 miles now. They are great pads. No squeal. They do still dust, but not as much as the stock pads. I did three hard stops from a 100 to 0 and they grabbed pretty well and I did not detect any fade. This obviously does not reflect track conditions. The brake modulation was much better than stock, it is very linear.
I am keenly aware that the OEM pads might have an edge on a track day, but I'm still not convinced I'd be happy with them on a car this heavy at a track needing a lot of fade resistance. I've never seen a "dual purpose" pad that was truly dual purpose.
#18
I am sick of the dust as well, not to mention the squeal anytime I come to a slow stop...I've done the 90-40 mph fast stops multiple times to "get the glaze off" with mixed results....going with the Hawk ceramics in the Lexus of Dayton group buy...hope they a) don't squeal and b) dust less. Much less. Hawk seems to have a good reputation...hope I am not disappointed.
#19
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You bring up a very good point: this thread is primarily about pads for street use. We can incorporate track use as well, but it would seem some of us don't like the $300 per axle AND the excessive dust when there are options available for lower cost AND less dust that work fine for street duty.
I am keenly aware that the OEM pads might have an edge on a track day, but I'm still not convinced I'd be happy with them on a car this heavy at a track needing a lot of fade resistance. I've never seen a "dual purpose" pad that was truly dual purpose.
I am keenly aware that the OEM pads might have an edge on a track day, but I'm still not convinced I'd be happy with them on a car this heavy at a track needing a lot of fade resistance. I've never seen a "dual purpose" pad that was truly dual purpose.
#20
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Like everyone here, I don't like the amount of dust the oem pads put out, but overall I'm very content with the stock pads. I love the initial bite and the feel of the stock pads. The great initial bite and feel is why I'm hesitant to go with the Hawks or any other pads. I have the Hawk HPS pads on my Supra and they don't have anywhere the great initial bite of the stock pads. The Hawks definately dust less but I'm not sure I'm willing to give up the overall performance of the stock pads just for a little less brake dust.
#22
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See the post below:
I have talked to the people at Ferodo, and received the following responses:
"Hi Lou,
Thanks for the interest!
(front) FERODO DS2500 BRAKE PADS $220/set
We do not yet carry any rear pads for this vehicle.
For ordering, or for more information, you can reach me directly at: 800-733-8380.
Best Regards,
Edwin Robinson.
http://www.RaceShopper.com
1-800-733-8380"
AND
"We also have FRONT ceramic pads for street use available immediately.
They are $119/set
Please mention the referring customer when you order - this way we will be sure that they receive their referral credit.
Best Regards,
Edwin Robinson.
http://www.raceshopper.com "
"Hi Lou,
Thanks for the interest!
(front) FERODO DS2500 BRAKE PADS $220/set
We do not yet carry any rear pads for this vehicle.
For ordering, or for more information, you can reach me directly at: 800-733-8380.
Best Regards,
Edwin Robinson.
http://www.RaceShopper.com
1-800-733-8380"
AND
"We also have FRONT ceramic pads for street use available immediately.
They are $119/set
Please mention the referring customer when you order - this way we will be sure that they receive their referral credit.
Best Regards,
Edwin Robinson.
http://www.raceshopper.com "
#23
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You bring up a very good point: this thread is primarily about pads for street use. We can incorporate track use as well, but it would seem some of us don't like the $300 per axle AND the excessive dust when there are options available for lower cost AND less dust that work fine for street duty.
I am keenly aware that the OEM pads might have an edge on a track day, but I'm still not convinced I'd be happy with them on a car this heavy at a track needing a lot of fade resistance. I've never seen a "dual purpose" pad that was truly dual purpose.
I am keenly aware that the OEM pads might have an edge on a track day, but I'm still not convinced I'd be happy with them on a car this heavy at a track needing a lot of fade resistance. I've never seen a "dual purpose" pad that was truly dual purpose.
Can I get that on my IS-F?
I'm not sure why those ceramics are 120$, shouldn't ceramics be more expensive?
Why are these pads 100$ more per set? FERODO DS2500 BRAKE PADS, versus those first mentioned ceramics?
I can understand why OEM pads are 350$ a set, because you pay for Lexus / OEM markup
Then there are HPS, HPS Ceramic, and HPS P -- is it safe to assume the ceramic versions at $255 (GB) will last the longest?
Why are the HPS Ceramics 130$ more than the other ceramics?
Is it a safe assumption that ceramics last longer than non ceramics?
Again, I'm not looking for performance, just looking for price+length of life
Thanks guys
#24
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So you run those Hawks @ 90k miles?
Can I get that on my IS-F?
I'm not sure why those ceramics are 120$, shouldn't ceramics be more expensive?
Why are these pads 100$ more per set? FERODO DS2500 BRAKE PADS, versus those first mentioned ceramics?
I can understand why OEM pads are 350$ a set, because you pay for Lexus / OEM markup
Then there are HPS, HPS Ceramic, and HPS P -- is it safe to assume the ceramic versions at $255 (GB) will last the longest?
Why are the HPS Ceramics 130$ more than the other ceramics?
Is it a safe assumption that ceramics last longer than non ceramics?
Again, I'm not looking for performance, just looking for price+length of life
Thanks guys
Can I get that on my IS-F?
I'm not sure why those ceramics are 120$, shouldn't ceramics be more expensive?
Why are these pads 100$ more per set? FERODO DS2500 BRAKE PADS, versus those first mentioned ceramics?
I can understand why OEM pads are 350$ a set, because you pay for Lexus / OEM markup
Then there are HPS, HPS Ceramic, and HPS P -- is it safe to assume the ceramic versions at $255 (GB) will last the longest?
Why are the HPS Ceramics 130$ more than the other ceramics?
Is it a safe assumption that ceramics last longer than non ceramics?
Again, I'm not looking for performance, just looking for price+length of life
Thanks guys
#25
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I called Raceshopper and I found out the ceramics are their "brand"
That's fine with me too, if you say they are good then they are good
I'll order a set probably tomorrow
How long do you think they will last, considering OEMs went at 13.5k mi
I also found a shop that'll machine rotors and install pads for 90$, and then 60$ for an oil change
Much better than the stealership prices!
That's fine with me too, if you say they are good then they are good
I'll order a set probably tomorrow
How long do you think they will last, considering OEMs went at 13.5k mi
I also found a shop that'll machine rotors and install pads for 90$, and then 60$ for an oil change
Much better than the stealership prices!
#26
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I called Raceshopper and I found out the ceramics are their "brand"
That's fine with me too, if you say they are good then they are good
I'll order a set probably tomorrow
How long do you think they will last, considering OEMs went at 13.5k mi
I also found a shop that'll machine rotors and install pads for 90$, and then 60$ for an oil change
Much better than the stealership prices!
That's fine with me too, if you say they are good then they are good
I'll order a set probably tomorrow
How long do you think they will last, considering OEMs went at 13.5k mi
I also found a shop that'll machine rotors and install pads for 90$, and then 60$ for an oil change
Much better than the stealership prices!
#27
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Time to revive the necrothread...
So while searching through brake pads and titanium shims to help reduce fade risk, I discovered Pagid's 8005 pad has the same dimensions as the IS-F pad. The Pagid 8005 is intended for Mercedes '04 and later SLK 55 AMG 6 piston calipers, so it would seem MB is fitting Brembo M6 calipers to their cars.
I've contacted the company making titanium shims (they prevent heat transfer to the caliper) about making them for the IS-F. I want a set for track days, especially if I'm doing CMP again in June and it's over 100 degrees like last year.
So while searching through brake pads and titanium shims to help reduce fade risk, I discovered Pagid's 8005 pad has the same dimensions as the IS-F pad. The Pagid 8005 is intended for Mercedes '04 and later SLK 55 AMG 6 piston calipers, so it would seem MB is fitting Brembo M6 calipers to their cars.
I've contacted the company making titanium shims (they prevent heat transfer to the caliper) about making them for the IS-F. I want a set for track days, especially if I'm doing CMP again in June and it's over 100 degrees like last year.
Last edited by lobuxracer; 02-11-10 at 08:55 PM.
#29
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Obscene.
RS 14 $591.36
RS 19 $650.50
I'm now looking for cross references to the Pagid numbers. The FMSI numbers are 4875-D1365 (front) and 4876-D1366 (rear). There are a number of Chinese manufacturers offering pads in these FMSI numbers.
RS 14 $591.36
RS 19 $650.50
I'm now looking for cross references to the Pagid numbers. The FMSI numbers are 4875-D1365 (front) and 4876-D1366 (rear). There are a number of Chinese manufacturers offering pads in these FMSI numbers.
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as much as the stock pads dont have that bite i like they last and work soo well at the track. MY HP PLUS are good but lobux knows that the proportioning sucks on our cars. I am excited to check out the pagids..