NikonGuy

iTrader: (1)

There is a local IS F here that according to Carfax has been on the lot since Aug 2015. That's 8 months.

It is 2008 with 79K listed for $28K (red color). A few other ones here with same or more mileage at higher price were listed but gone now (either sent to auction or sold)

JaponesV8

I would pay kbb for a low mile 2011 all day every day. See signature. I'm just not spending $45,000 on a 9 year old design. $37k is pushing it, but I think the car is worth it. Anything over and to me it's now. I'm not eating $8k depreciation over two years. 2k I can handle.

XutvJet

ISFs are unique in that they depreciate just as bad as a German car over the first 3 years Most 2011-2014s listed at $62K-67K and they're truly selling at $35-46K and auction prices being a bit lower than that.


When I bought my M235, the BMW financial rep asked why I was buying rather than leasing because over 60% of BMW drivers lease. I told him(jokingly) that I didn't care about depreciation, I planned to drive the hell out of the thing, I prefer to own my cars no mater what, I keep my cars for 4+ years, and didn't want to be held as a lease hostage.

juanmedina

There were a total of 5118 IS-F sold in the USA. Supply and demand sets the price...

Around my area BMW's are like mustang's and cameros they are everywhere. Certainly not as cool as an F car

JaponesV8

In your opinion and let me say, we're in the minority. I hate BMWs (reliability).

The price is set by supply and demand and captured by KBB. Prices too high, no demand cars sit.

Justin727

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Depreciation 2013 Lexus ISF Year1:$3,868 Year2: $3,351 Year3: $3,004$ Year4:2,765 Year5:$2,555 Total: $15,543

Depreciation 2015 BMW 2series Year1:$9,482 Year2:$4,626 Year3:$4,070 Year4:$3,609 Year5:$3,239 Total: $25,026

But really when it comes to these type of cars who really uses KBB as a standard or just KBB alone? I'm sure private party will sell either of these vehicles if they're in great condition above kbb and more than likely get it.

I can almost guarantee when you're ready to unload your BMW if you kept it in exceptional condition you'll more than likely sell it above KBB am I correct? Would you take a considerable hit on trading it in? Would you sell for right on the $ KBB suggest or below?

JaponesV8

Ask jjdurant how that went selling his 2011 12k miles isf above kbb. Spoiler it didn't sell and he traded it in for $38,500

Also you're comparing a much newer BMW vs an older Lexus. The biggest deprecation is almost always the first years.

I looked at a 2013 BMW 335i.....guess the depreciation.....$15,268

kolyan

Your depreciation is a bit off. My M3 went up in value in one year by $1000 bucks, my 335i depreciated by $1500 in 1 year. You can find BMWs for lower then book value easier then ISF. thats why none of my cars ever really depreciated to this day.

M3 was like 4 years old and 335i 3 years old

Diesel350

JaponesV8,
I found your car. A 2012 Salvage special for $25k.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...25852841&Log=0

JaponesV8

I'm starting to lean toward waiting on the GSF to come down in price. If I can pick up used for around $60k I think I'll be happier long term.

Diesel350

Good luck with that, you'll probably be waiting for at least 2 years.

Justin727

JJDurant was in a hurry to sell because he came across a truck he was extremely interested in so using a fast sale as an example is off because more times than none fast sales take a hit.

It's not my depreciation data. It comes from a tool that gathers depreciation data blah blah blah.
Who's to say the next one off another car value site may or may not show better numbers? Maybe in favor as I'm almost sure it will be.

That's the point I'm trying to make is that you can't use KBB as an end all be all and must use many tools to figure up what you consider a *fair price. Don't use whichever you think is going to be in your favor when you go to dealers and individuals. There are different standards the dealers use to value their vehicles. Yes sometimes pricing is above those standards due to many factors. Sometimes they're right on and sometimes they're below.

But anyhow I think the ISF will hold on to it's value over the years because it's the first. Usually proven with many Toyota performance cars even if the next MY is a better performer.

JaponesV8

They're selling 10K off MSRP already and the RCF was $73k and they're selling for $52k with 10k miles. I'm guessing a year......if.

RSXiMUS

iTrader: (7)

From what I read, this is my opinion about this thread so far:

1. F owners are a bunch of nice guys, if these "non-F" owners were to do the same thing in other special car forums, claiming their cars should be priced at or below KBB, they would have been flamed long ago.

2. Who goes by KBB ect for rare and special vehicles? This is not a Toyota Camry.

3. Of all the super sedans of it's era, (M3, C63, ISF, CTS-V), the ISF is by far the best choice to own long term, also seems to be the rarest and soon enough the value should rise even further.

4. These "non-F" owners complain the ISF's will not sell and will sit at those dealerships pricing them over KBB. Honestly, I don't think the dealerships are in that much of a rush to sell their ISF, especially if it's a clean, stock low mileage sample. They would just put it in the showroom and wait for right buyer, if anything it would be a good promotion piece for their customers, to showcase the car that started the F performance division with a nice little history behind it.

True story, when I purchased my ISF nearly 2 years ago, it was the only car they kept in the showroom at the Lexus dealership, while doing my paperwork I saw no less than 5 people walking around it, checking it out and having much curiosity about this "special" vehicle.

5. If you "potential" shoppers are looking to score at deal at KBB or less, I think you'll have better luck trying to find another more common car. As an F owner, I appreciate it if you guys just move along and buy BMW's or whatever instead, it's a bit annoying watching the same people jumping into every ISF price discussion threads and yelling they are "overpriced" and such...VERY annoying.

I'm sure you guys can score an ISF for a good deal if you looked long enough, same with any other high performance special car, but most likely will have some sort of "history" (damage or modified) or would need a lot of reconditioning to bring it back to great shape.

RSXiMUS

iTrader: (7)

Cool, maybe now you and the other ISF Price Police can move over to the RCF and GSF forums and preach to them about how their cars should be priced 40-50k.