Starter? Car fails to start
06-26-16, 04:44 AM
#16
Pit Crew
I can't think of anything off hand... I would love to take your core and compare it to the 3UR starter I have. The UR starters share many parts, both are 2.0 KW motors, but the solenoid is a different part number.
06-26-16, 09:15 AM
#17
Pole Position
^^^^In your opinion do you think if your getting ready to put in headers that it should be something you just replace while the subframe and steering rack are off to save on labor down the road or no? My car has 69k on the clock......
Thx
Thx
06-26-16, 11:27 AM
#19
Pole Position
That's what I'm kinda thinking
mo $$
mo $$
06-27-16, 11:56 AM
#22
I just replace a failed starter on an ISF for a customer two weeks ago. Same symptoms, just a click. I bench tested it once removed and confirmed the issue. He already had a Denso replacement ready for me when I pulled it out so we sent the original one back as a core.
The starter is tucked up above the right exhaust manifold. Fourtunatly this car was getting PPE headers installed which made the starter install much easier. I would hate to try to replace it without the manifold removed and I'm not really sure if it's even an option.
The car I was working on had 130k on it so it wasn't a huge deal that the starter failed. I did however find that the starter is subjected to a ton of heat since it's stuffed between the engine and the manifold. All of the plastic wire guides and protectors were so brittle that they just crumbled with a light touch of the hand. I had to come up with a different solution for protecting the wires.
There are heat shields around the starter but since it's in a pocket between the manifold, block, cylinder head and the transmission I don't see any way for the heat to escape or deflect away from it. I'm pretty sure this will be a common failure as the cars age.
The starter is tucked up above the right exhaust manifold. Fourtunatly this car was getting PPE headers installed which made the starter install much easier. I would hate to try to replace it without the manifold removed and I'm not really sure if it's even an option.
The car I was working on had 130k on it so it wasn't a huge deal that the starter failed. I did however find that the starter is subjected to a ton of heat since it's stuffed between the engine and the manifold. All of the plastic wire guides and protectors were so brittle that they just crumbled with a light touch of the hand. I had to come up with a different solution for protecting the wires.
There are heat shields around the starter but since it's in a pocket between the manifold, block, cylinder head and the transmission I don't see any way for the heat to escape or deflect away from it. I'm pretty sure this will be a common failure as the cars age.
Lexus is giving me another number on hours and other independent shops saying it takes 13-15hrs to install the starter since the motor and transmission needs to be removed.
So I'm looking at $2k-$2500 in labor. WFT!
I might as well go buy some tools and do it myself, just need a manual lol
06-27-16, 12:52 PM
#23
Pole Position
This is why I'm thinking of doing it as a preventative measure when I do headers
turning into a expensive endeavor with having on brand new O2 sensors just in case they're needed for the install, makes me double think installing headers
turning into a expensive endeavor with having on brand new O2 sensors just in case they're needed for the install, makes me double think installing headers
06-27-16, 06:43 PM
#25
I highly doubt the engine needs to be removed. This engine is very similar to an LS460, which starters go bad on quite frequently. The passenger side exhaust manifold needs to come off, but once that is off, it's all open.
06-27-16, 07:38 PM
#26
Pit Crew
Thread Starter
I had this done on my isf.
The shop that I brought it to charged me 750 labour.
They dropped the sub frame. Removed oil dip stick. Removed one exhaust manifold. Heat shields. Battery for more access to other manifold bolts / shields and the starter was then removed.
They put everything back and also realigned my vehicle.
Truthfully right when I dropped the car off it looked like 30 minutes later majority bolts and shields were removed. They were closing. And by morning all was ready to put the stater in.
I paid for oem starter as I did not want to deal with any issues since labour was not cheap.
The shop that I brought it to charged me 750 labour.
They dropped the sub frame. Removed oil dip stick. Removed one exhaust manifold. Heat shields. Battery for more access to other manifold bolts / shields and the starter was then removed.
They put everything back and also realigned my vehicle.
Truthfully right when I dropped the car off it looked like 30 minutes later majority bolts and shields were removed. They were closing. And by morning all was ready to put the stater in.
I paid for oem starter as I did not want to deal with any issues since labour was not cheap.
06-27-16, 07:40 PM
#27
Pit Crew
Thread Starter
Oh ya. I inquires at a dealership and they wanted over $3k saying the same thing engine and transmission needs to be removed.
In the shop manual I believe it states this is the process.
In the shop manual I believe it states this is the process.
07-05-16, 08:26 AM
#29
As stated above THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED TO TOUCH THE TRANS OR LIFT THE ENGINE. Removing only what is needed to get the right side exhaust manifold out of the way is what is involved in doing the starter replacement. It is maybe an 8 hour job for the first timer but someone who has experience could do it in 4-5 hrs.
If Lexus is charging you 13.5 hrs then stay far away from them as a candidate to do the repair.
If Lexus is charging you 13.5 hrs then stay far away from them as a candidate to do the repair.
07-05-16, 10:22 AM
#30
As stated above THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED TO TOUCH THE TRANS OR LIFT THE ENGINE. Removing only what is needed to get the right side exhaust manifold out of the way is what is involved in doing the starter replacement. It is maybe an 8 hour job for the first timer but someone who has experience could do it in 4-5 hrs.
If Lexus is charging you 13.5 hrs then stay far away from them as a candidate to do the repair.
If Lexus is charging you 13.5 hrs then stay far away from them as a candidate to do the repair.
I found a shop that can do it the short cut way before pulling the motor
