USBM2011

Just for a fun discussion....

Does anyone here plan on keeping their IS-F for many many years?
Does anyone think it will ever gain in value?
Will it be collectible?


Recently Ive been watching a lot of these auction shows on cable, like Barret-Jackson, and other things like it, and im just wondering if anyone ever sees the ISF as a car that would be worth keeping for 20-30 years.

Obviously cars like the LFA, muscle cars, ferraris, old luxury cars and the like will be worth a lot of money one day way down the road.

Not that I ever see the ISF being with $200-300-400k, but if you look at cars like later model Supras, Integra Type R, ect, they seem to be holding a pretty strong value.

Ive also noticed that the ISFs havent changed much as far as used values go right now, they took a big hit the first year or two they were out, but if you look, 2008-2009 ISFs assuming are clean and have reasonable miles, havent really dropped much in price in the last year or even 2 years.

Would anyone think that 10-15 years from now a clean 2008-2011 ISF would be worth 40-50 grand? or more 20-30 years from now?

Ive seen many @98 model TT Supras in the $20-30-40k range and thats a 12-15 year old car? which was rare compared to... say a camry, but not that rare compared to a "rare" car. Hell, even a clean, strong old LS-400 you still get good money for, and they werent all that rare....

I dont recall how many of these are made each year, but I know its not like your going to walk into a lexus dealer anytime soon and see a row of 30 ISFs in all different colors, all different options, like you would a RX-350, or a IS-250 AWD.

Like I said this is just for a fun speculation, or discussion, and to see what other people think. I have no clue what will actually happen, or if they will be selling for 15k-20k in 3-4 years from now, and eventually be worth nothing. But I wouldn't imagine all the, time, engineering, development that went into making the ISF, and cool stuff this car has, would make it a car that one day just goes to the crusher... got to be a somewhat desirable car years from now?

hahahaf

iTrader: (2)

im planning on keeping mine for the foreseeable future
unless someone hits me
i dont really see it being a collectable
but the first f in hopefully long line with a ever growing performance division
you never know

GarrettISF

I've always wondered the same thing. I thought I read somewhere on this site that they only made 2600 or so for the US. That said it seems like the amount is significantly less than a mass production model like a Camry as you mentioned. There's a lot of firsts that make it seem like there's potential for holding it's value.

Glad you brought this topic up because I'm in limbo and not sure if I'm going to keep it or move on in a few years.

USBM2011

ya you never know?

How many of these old mustangs-vettes-camaros-chevelles ect would be worth $150-200k 30-40 years later, after they paid 4-5-6 grand new for them?

markkin

I am sure the IS-F will depreciate just like the BWM M3. I am thinking about getting a Lexus IS-F within the next 9 months when the projected value of a Lexus 2008 will be $32,000 about half the price of a new Lexus IS-F, but with the projected raising cost of gas, I may not. Now, there are quite a few 2008 Lexus IS-F in the 38K range on cars.com

Lexus IS-F 2008
2008 $60,000 0,000 miles
2009 $52,000 12,000 miles
2010 $45,000 24,000 miles
2011 $38,000 36,000 miles
2012 $32,000 48,000 miles
2013 $25,000 60,000 miles

For comparison
Lexus IS350 2008
2008 $36,000 0,000 miles
2009 $32,000 12,000 miles
2010 $28,000 24,000 miles
2011 $24,000 36,000 miles
2012 $22,000 48,000 miles
2013 $20,000 60,000 miles


The 2008 Lexus IS-f is deprecating $500.00 per month for the first 60 months. 2013 is the best time to buy because the car has lost most of its deprecation in the first 5 years and is worth about half the original price. I am not sure how well the Lexus IS-F value will hold against the 2 door BWM M3 or Corvette in a few years, the Lexus ISF is comparable to the BMW M3 and Corvette, so you can check the prices against a used BMW M3 or Corvette. If you want more information check Edmunds True Cost of Ownership. Also, I believe the next IS3 will be out 2012 assuming a 6 year cycle, so the Lexus 2IS will depreciate even more around 2012 or 2013.

USBM2011

ive already sold my first one, but ive missed the car terribly since i got rid of it , and plan on buying another one, and would be kicking myself 20 years from now seeing them sell for 40-50k still hahaha knowing " i had one waaaayyy back in 2010", hahaha

USBM2011

Anyone know how may M3's are made each year? is it comparable? I figured there was way more M3s made each year?

The ISFs took a huge hit in 2009-2010, but not much since then, I work for Manheim Auctions so i have some educated data, I bought mine for 42,000.00 a year ago with 12k miles on it, and traded it in for 41500.00 9 months later, and i see them still hovering around 40-44k a year after i bought mine for a 2008

I dont think itll ever be worth $$100-200k, my main thing is will they be selling for 40-50-60 10 years from now, when there may or may not be 'F' model cars, and a "V8" is a thing of the past with all the government regulations and hybrid bull****

HyperMKIV

iTrader: (1)

i want to know what the production #'s were like...

for example... my 94 6speed hard top MKIV was one of less than 300 ever brought into the US... they only were avail the first 3 production years here in the states...

hard to come by and fetches more than just any other MKIV...

markkin

I am not familiar with the 1994 Toyota MKIV. I am assuming that the Toyota MKIV is holding its value because it is no longer produce, but how well will the Toyota Supra hold against the 2009 Nissan GT-R 5 years from now when the 2009 Nissan GT-R will be more affordable. Would someone spend 30k for a 20 year old Toyota Supra MKIV or a 5 year old Nissan GT-R?

Kelly Blue Book project resale value for the Nissan GT-R
http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/nissan/g...0/resale-value

New 100% $80,790.00
2 56% $45,242.40
3 45% $36,355.50
4 36% $29,084.40
5 30% $24,237.00

ming15237

iTrader: (3)

KBB is general is full of poop in my area, There is NOT ONE SINGLE 2 year old GTR in my area for that kind of money, NOT ONE! They make a guess, and that's all it is. Our vehicles took a HUGE hit the first 2 years, now it seems to be leveling off. Given that the m3 is not really a good comparison because these pieces of poo are broken down ALL the time, I will stick with my 14k miles 2008 "F"!

PurduePete

I don't plan on keeping it 20+ yrs for it to become a collector car. Also, if the new models keep on becoming faster with more power, then it might take more than 20 yrs to stop depreciation.

HyperMKIV

iTrader: (1)

totally depends on who you're asking...

some die hard toyota fans would never jump ship...

i would opt for the newer GT-R myself if i only had once choice but if i had enough $$$ i would buy another MKIV in a heartbeat

you really can't compare the two as collectables
if you're going to do that then try comparing the MKIV to the late R32 and R33 not the current model... both of which i would say could be classified as collectables

HyperMKIV

iTrader: (1)

actually, now that i look at your posts i think you might be missing the point of the thread

it's not about depreciation but rather if these care will be collectables or not...

usually a lower production # will aid in weather the car will be more sought after or not... not all the time but ususally most that not...

silky f

iTrader: (1)

what if Lexus decided to discontinued the Lexus IS-F for whatever reason they may have? I'm sure value will stay strong and eventually it will too become a collectible such as the Supra.

I guess we'll just have to wait 10-20 years down the line to see....

lobuxracer

iTrader: (2)

My '93 TT MkIV Supra is also a hardtop. Even with 150k miles on the odometer, I could likely get what I paid for it used in 1997 with only 34k miles on it. MkIV Supras are special.

I don't think the F is special in the same way. No one is going to get 1500+ hp from an F as they have from Marco's Supra. The Getrag in the Supra is legendary for being so overbuilt it could handle that kind of power. Same is true for the differential. Yes, I'm very happy with my F, but I seriously doubt I'll ever get my money out of it as a collectible the way I could from my Supra.

And yes, there absolutely are people who would pay nearly $30k for my Supra over a GTR. They're different animals with different potentials and very different buyers.