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10-18-10, 07:33 PM
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To throw a curve ball in there! What is the take on the CTS - V compared to the ISF? I love the IS F and would love to own it one day! But the Caddy is got comparable interiors, even better maybe, has a proper manual and is in the same price range as the ISF.
10-19-10, 07:15 AM
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CTS-V is a beast for sure...the interior is just ok in my opinion and the exterior to me is a bit underwhelming. The car is just flat out fast though. My friend has the slush box and and it is the only downfall of the car as the the tranny just "feels" slow. As to being available with a "proper" manual...for me that is not an advantage at all...would MUCH rather have the lightning fast ISF tranny or true dual clutch tranny all day over a "proper" manual. I've owned the Audi shiftronic tranny (Audi's dual clutch) and it was amazing, but with that said the ISF feels just as quick.
10-20-10, 09:31 PM
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CTS-V vs ISF
No Comparison between the CTS-V vs ISF . The caddy's engine even with ist's so called "slush box auto" kills the isf both on the street and on the track .
The interior is in my opinion more luxurious and the caddy is quieter not to mention a Vastly superior suspension system - magnetic all around .
The isf to be fair was not to be compared to the big V , but it's price in Canada is dangerously close to a discounted CTS-V .
The interior is in my opinion more luxurious and the caddy is quieter not to mention a Vastly superior suspension system - magnetic all around .
The isf to be fair was not to be compared to the big V , but it's price in Canada is dangerously close to a discounted CTS-V .
10-20-10, 10:23 PM
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No Comparison between the CTS-V vs ISF . The caddy's engine even with ist's so called "slush box auto" kills the isf both on the street and on the track .
The interior is in my opinion more luxurious and the caddy is quieter not to mention a Vastly superior suspension system - magnetic all around .
The isf to be fair was not to be compared to the big V , but it's price in Canada is dangerously close to a discounted CTS-V .
The interior is in my opinion more luxurious and the caddy is quieter not to mention a Vastly superior suspension system - magnetic all around .
The isf to be fair was not to be compared to the big V , but it's price in Canada is dangerously close to a discounted CTS-V .
10-20-10, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by B D HEMI
No Comparison between the CTS-V vs ISF . The caddy's engine even with ist's so called "slush box auto" kills the isf both on the street and on the track .
The interior is in my opinion more luxurious and the caddy is quieter not to mention a Vastly superior suspension system - magnetic all around .
The isf to be fair was not to be compared to the big V , but it's price in Canada is dangerously close to a discounted CTS-V .
This is true until the Caddy overheats. The F does not, even in 102F temperatures at the track. GM has issues with putting enough cooling for track duty in their vehicles. Corvette owners put additional heat exchangers on their cars for track duty - unless you're keen on oil temps over 300F.
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Not heard of one case of V's overheating from 2009 and up models , and not a single corvette from the C6 series either !
I know several cts-v owners who have spent time on the track and the V is very stable in very hot conditions . All cars can benefit from additional cooling which is wise to make sure you have oil and transmission coolers - which the V's and the Z06, ZR-1 and sport C6 has already_________________
No Comparison between the CTS-V vs ISF . The caddy's engine even with ist's so called "slush box auto" kills the isf both on the street and on the track .
The interior is in my opinion more luxurious and the caddy is quieter not to mention a Vastly superior suspension system - magnetic all around .
The isf to be fair was not to be compared to the big V , but it's price in Canada is dangerously close to a discounted CTS-V .
This is true until the Caddy overheats. The F does not, even in 102F temperatures at the track. GM has issues with putting enough cooling for track duty in their vehicles. Corvette owners put additional heat exchangers on their cars for track duty - unless you're keen on oil temps over 300F.
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Not heard of one case of V's overheating from 2009 and up models , and not a single corvette from the C6 series either !
I know several cts-v owners who have spent time on the track and the V is very stable in very hot conditions . All cars can benefit from additional cooling which is wise to make sure you have oil and transmission coolers - which the V's and the Z06, ZR-1 and sport C6 has already_________________
10-21-10, 04:29 AM
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Now we have the CTS V. Comes in a coupe, which I prefer. A car that is break-neck fast, very roomy, large enough exterior, sporty and luxurious. Just what I like. The styling....I'm not 100% sold on but it is not cookie cutter. My biggest reason for hesitation....it's a Cadillac. My grandfather loved Caddy's. That's the image I have of them....old persons car.
I will get passt my stigma and go drive one....for sure. But considering to buy one? We shall see!
Buying a car is tougher than its ever been. So many choices that are close. I guess you have to drive them all, more than once to decide. Hmmm, that sounds like fun.
10-21-10, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by B D HEMI
No Comparison between the CTS-V vs ISF . The caddy's engine even with ist's so called "slush box auto" kills the isf both on the street and on the track .
The interior is in my opinion more luxurious and the caddy is quieter not to mention a Vastly superior suspension system - magnetic all around .
The isf to be fair was not to be compared to the big V , but it's price in Canada is dangerously close to a discounted CTS-V .
This is true until the Caddy overheats. The F does not, even in 102F temperatures at the track. GM has issues with putting enough cooling for track duty in their vehicles. Corvette owners put additional heat exchangers on their cars for track duty - unless you're keen on oil temps over 300F.
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Not heard of one case of V's overheating from 2009 and up models , and not a single corvette from the C6 series either !
I know several cts-v owners who have spent time on the track and the V is very stable in very hot conditions . All cars can benefit from additional cooling which is wise to make sure you have oil and transmission coolers - which the V's and the Z06, ZR-1 and sport C6 has already_________________
No Comparison between the CTS-V vs ISF . The caddy's engine even with ist's so called "slush box auto" kills the isf both on the street and on the track .
The interior is in my opinion more luxurious and the caddy is quieter not to mention a Vastly superior suspension system - magnetic all around .
The isf to be fair was not to be compared to the big V , but it's price in Canada is dangerously close to a discounted CTS-V .
This is true until the Caddy overheats. The F does not, even in 102F temperatures at the track. GM has issues with putting enough cooling for track duty in their vehicles. Corvette owners put additional heat exchangers on their cars for track duty - unless you're keen on oil temps over 300F.
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Not heard of one case of V's overheating from 2009 and up models , and not a single corvette from the C6 series either !
I know several cts-v owners who have spent time on the track and the V is very stable in very hot conditions . All cars can benefit from additional cooling which is wise to make sure you have oil and transmission coolers - which the V's and the Z06, ZR-1 and sport C6 has already_________________
10-21-10, 04:32 PM
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I don't think lexus is really trying to make an M3 killer, and thus, they won't.
I think they prefer to offer superior value, near identical performance, better livability (ie more torque, WAY better mileage, 200k reliability, minimal maintenance, nicer appointments). Those are pretty sustainable competitive advantages. Making the car faster isn't sustainable, because BMW can turn around and up the boost, widen the tires, etc at low cost and in little time. So the strategy is to allow the BMW to win by the slimmest of margins in the performance category (and hence in the mags), but offer things BMW couldn't if their life depended on it.
I think they prefer to offer superior value, near identical performance, better livability (ie more torque, WAY better mileage, 200k reliability, minimal maintenance, nicer appointments). Those are pretty sustainable competitive advantages. Making the car faster isn't sustainable, because BMW can turn around and up the boost, widen the tires, etc at low cost and in little time. So the strategy is to allow the BMW to win by the slimmest of margins in the performance category (and hence in the mags), but offer things BMW couldn't if their life depended on it.
10-21-10, 07:38 PM
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Well , since that's the only case of a cts-v supposedly overheating then I chalk that up as a "freak case" !
I've done some very fast laps myself on a track for over an hour in temperatures reaching over 105 degree's and the caddy was loafing alone and that's with the airconditioning on . I think GM has a good handle on how to make high performance machines run on tracks all day .
I've done some very fast laps myself on a track for over an hour in temperatures reaching over 105 degree's and the caddy was loafing alone and that's with the airconditioning on . I think GM has a good handle on how to make high performance machines run on tracks all day .
10-21-10, 07:42 PM
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Why do people compare the CTS-V to the ISF, M3 and C63 ?
Its a larger and has about 100 more HP... why the hell would it not beat the ISF and etc ?
The CTS-V is to be compared to XFR, M5, E63, RS6... Not smaller cars like the ISF,C63 and M3.
Its a larger and has about 100 more HP... why the hell would it not beat the ISF and etc ?
The CTS-V is to be compared to XFR, M5, E63, RS6... Not smaller cars like the ISF,C63 and M3.
10-21-10, 09:45 PM
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We are talking IS F's with 4 passengers inside.
Every IS F event I've been too there has not been ONE failure. As we know Skip Barber also uses the IS F.
IMO its one of those overbuilt Lexus/Toyota products that comes out ever once in awhile (Supra IV, LandCruiser, Hilex, etc)
10-22-10, 06:19 AM
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In the past, American brands always gave more bang and luxury for your buck. They often lacked in handling and material quality. Now they have improved both...indeed, the CTS-V has surpassed all others for every category except looks....which is subjective of personal taste.
The ISF is still a member of the IS line which puts it in the entry category in my book. Just thought I'd say that before someone peeps it doesn't deserve that label. It is debatable since there is no F model GS nor LS. But there is no other car in the Lexus line up to compare with the CTS-V than the ISF.
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10-22-10, 04:43 PM
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I thought Stock ISF vs Stock Rs4 the IS F would take it,
I saw it on youtube first where they did many different tests and the ISF came out on top almost everytime.
When it comes to handling M3 is clearly the winner.
My guess is the M3 is fastest when modded.
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I saw it on youtube first where they did many different tests and the ISF came out on top almost everytime.
When it comes to handling M3 is clearly the winner.
My guess is the M3 is fastest when modded.
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10-22-10, 04:45 PM
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I compare them because they are all entry level sport-luxury models for their respective brands.
In the past, American brands always gave more bang and luxury for your buck. They often lacked in handling and material quality. Now they have improved both...indeed, the CTS-V has surpassed all others for every category except looks....which is subjective of personal taste.
The ISF is still a member of the IS line which puts it in the entry category in my book. Just thought I'd say that before someone peeps it doesn't deserve that label. It is debatable since there is no F model GS nor LS. But there is no other car in the Lexus line up to compare with the CTS-V than the ISF.
In the past, American brands always gave more bang and luxury for your buck. They often lacked in handling and material quality. Now they have improved both...indeed, the CTS-V has surpassed all others for every category except looks....which is subjective of personal taste.
The ISF is still a member of the IS line which puts it in the entry category in my book. Just thought I'd say that before someone peeps it doesn't deserve that label. It is debatable since there is no F model GS nor LS. But there is no other car in the Lexus line up to compare with the CTS-V than the ISF.
LFA = about 550 HP
Those two should be compared!!
haha jk