miniround

Well the supra's being replaced with the LF-A if I'm not mistaken...

And as for fast sedans...Lexus hasn't always been up there like BMW and Mercedes Benz, oh, and Audi too.

Want to talk about good sedans...search youtube for top gear a8
...Clarkson test drives a diesel A8 that can drive 800 miles on a full tank.
...and it seemed as if the reserve tank was just air!

Even a GS450H wouldnt last against an M5 on the Autobahn. The M5 is built to last...the GS (not saying my RX hasnt lasted)...but the Lexus automobile is not built to run up and down the Autobahn everyday in excess of 110mph. The M5 would murder it. Who cares about track figures from a magazine...it's the hwy and city driving that we all do nowadays. Unless ur name's Michael Schumacher, your job isn't driving around a track all day (oh, if your a test driver, you don't count this time!)

So enough of these reviews of sedans, someone get some pics up of the oh so special IS500

-ajk

jsquared

i saw the new 335i at school today and the back looks like crap... they made the lights look funky... the 330i looks better (maybe not as fast).

and as for performance and what can beat what, does it really matter that much? we can compare once they release official specs, etc. or when it nears release and if the is500 on paper doesn't 'beat' the M3, RS4, etc., oh well. you'll know it'll be reasonably close in price and it beats the **** out of those in the luxury factor and you can always mod/tune. =)

i was one of those wonderers, but its so far away from being released unlike the M3, RS4, it hurts to think about it. like i said in an earlier post, until it comes out, i'll worry about the 350 and all the parts in japan that need to be imported here.

LexFather

I am going to play nice b/c you do not know your facts.
12s in the 1/4 mile is "fast" to you. That is an OPINION. What I stated were FACTS. I've been around the Lexus block a LONG time, owning them since 1996. I know a tad bit about the brand.
1. Lexus advertised and the Lexus GS 400 WAS THE FASTEST AUTOMATIC SEDAN ON THE PLANET for awhile until it took special edition cars like the AMG E55 and Jag XJR to take that title. I did not say forever. I said for a time.
2. Lexus advertised the IS 350 as FASTEST IN CLASS as in the ENTRY LEVEL LUXURY CLASS b/c it is. It remains to be seen if the automatic 335 is faster though I am sure it will be VERY close.

You are comparing Lexus cars to special V/AMG/M cars. Of COURSE the Lexus will be slower. Apples to Oranges.

Lexus cars are VERY FAST now. Before the GS 400, no Lexus do 0-60 in under 5 seconds. Now the SC/LS/GS/IS do in one form or another.

FAST is relative.

LexFather

Please read in our car chat forum LF-A is a Lexus only V-10 model, it may move to a V-8 as it is F-1 influenced.
The Supra will have the IS 350 V-6 and maybe the LS 460 V-8 as an option and like the IS be based off the GS.
The GS 450h IS NOT M5 competition at all. Of course a V-6 hyrbid will get murdered by a V-10 all out sports sedan.

Bean

iTrader: (1)

I agree. R&T = idiots.

They were the ones that spoke of the "potential" of the 1UZ series of engines being in the new supra. So stupid they don't realize the UZ series of motors is GONE like the dodo.

TorontoIS

Going by the seat of my pants, I'd say that the autotranny (not DSG or whatever it's called) BMW 335i coupe is no faster than the IS 350. If there is any difference it is very minimal and not clinically significant as we say in the medical world.

NovaIS350

miniround = owned, again

miniround

Nova, how bout stating some facts other than the word "owned".

NovaIS350

...owned. j/k

NovaIS350

Perhaps I should..but I really have nothing to argue about. I am simply observing how logical and correct the moderators are. Your arguments are lopsided misinformed and misguided..to be honest I don't know what it is you're trying to prove. I think your comparing two different vehicles in different classes. (apples to oranges) Also, how is anything that you're saying factual? Have you tested this theory? Are you an engineer\test driver for Lexus\BMW? Perhaps you own both of these vehicles and have driven both of them on the autobahn? The one fact I will state is this, Lexus benchmarks their vehicles in/on Nurburgring. enough said.

JessePS

Time will tell.

May 2007

shoei

Personally, $70,000 is just way too much for a little IS. I would still expect the top end price of the super IS to be $60,000. Any price beyond $60,000 is just *****ing ridiculous. A $70,000 “Super” IS would keep out all the riff-raffs, but honestly how many potential buyers of this level of car would consider the "Super" IS Lexus at a $70,000 price point. For $70,000, I would forgo the “Super” IS and look in to a Porsche 911, Maserati Coupe, AMG Mercedes, Audi RS4, Vette Z06 or some super BMW M3. I don’t care what other ppl say, the IS has no business being in the 70g price level. Don’t get me wrong, I love the IS, and I have a old IS3 and plan on getting the IS350, but all this talk about this insane price is just too much for me to believe.

NovaIS350

I sure hope it wont be 70k.

jsquared

i agree with most and hope it tops out at $60-62K loaded.

Ramon

He said that you got owned, which seems factual to me based on your previous post history. No offence, but your posts are pretty baseless. Seems like you are simply regurgitating what you overheard someone say.