MotorTrend : Lexus IS Might Just Dethrone BMW 3 series
09-04-13, 02:14 PM
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I found all BMW 3's, including the f30 beat the IS handily in a drag race,
09-04-13, 02:18 PM
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Heavily misinformed? LOL! On the contrary my friend I have driven this car as a rental plenty of time and trust me it's no where near the handling of the IS. Spirited driving this car is a bit of a roller and the shifting of the tranny is a bit ..... how shall I say it, delayed? Well you know what I mean and that ugly interior why can't american built cars have a decent interior. Interior has cheap written all over it, sorry but the ATS is not what they say it is. And besides it won LAST YEAR so I'm confident that the IS will hand the ATS it's b u t t.......
I mentioned that it was killing the competition last year only because it was the ATS that dethroned the BMW 3 Series last year---you can't scoff that away no matter if your experience(s) with the car seemed to not meet expectations (but then again, there might be a reason why we're not having this conversation in a Cadillac forum)
By the way, there are plenty of good looking American built interiors, but if you go in with that kind of perception and mentality each time, you're always going to end up generalizing your complaints and pretending that they're all the same when they're absolutely not. It feels confirmation bias every time.
09-04-13, 02:56 PM
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Have you driven both the 2.0T and the V6? Were they the RWD each time or did they give you a AWD?
I mentioned that it was killing the competition last year only because it was the ATS that dethroned the BMW 3 Series last year---you can't scoff that away no matter if your experience(s) with the car seemed to not meet expectations (but then again, there might be a reason why we're not having this conversation in a Cadillac forum)
By the way, there are plenty of good looking American built interiors, but if you go in with that kind of perception and mentality each time, you're always going to end up generalizing your complaints and pretending that they're all the same when they're absolutely not. It feels confirmation bias every time.
I mentioned that it was killing the competition last year only because it was the ATS that dethroned the BMW 3 Series last year---you can't scoff that away no matter if your experience(s) with the car seemed to not meet expectations (but then again, there might be a reason why we're not having this conversation in a Cadillac forum)
By the way, there are plenty of good looking American built interiors, but if you go in with that kind of perception and mentality each time, you're always going to end up generalizing your complaints and pretending that they're all the same when they're absolutely not. It feels confirmation bias every time.
09-04-13, 03:56 PM
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Heavily misinformed? LOL! On the contrary my friend I have driven this car as a rental plenty of time and trust me it's no where near the handling of the IS. Spirited driving this car is a bit of a roller and the shifting of the tranny is a bit ..... how shall I say it, delayed? Well you know what I mean and that ugly interior why can't american built cars have a decent interior. Interior has cheap written all over it, sorry but the ATS is not what they say it is. And besides it won LAST YEAR so I'm confident that the IS will hand the ATS it's b u t t.......
As for plenty of good looking interiors in American cars, I would classify the Caddy ATS, XTS, new CTS as having very nice interiors. My Jeep Grand Cherokee has a *great* interior that is even better at higher trim levels. The new Lincoln MKZ has a nice interior. The new Chrysler 300 is nice.
09-06-13, 01:25 AM
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I don't think your experience in a bare bones rental is really applicable. I have driven a well optioned ATS and its a very nice car, nice interior, great chassis and drive. Its a great car. All the auto journalists that have driven it agree..I have also driven an SRX and to say that its a better drive than an ATS is just absurd. That's like saying the RX drives better than the IS. Actually that comparison is very apt.
As for plenty of good looking interiors in American cars, I would classify the Caddy ATS, XTS, new CTS as having very nice interiors. My Jeep Grand Cherokee has a *great* interior that is even better at higher trim levels. The new Lincoln MKZ has a nice interior. The new Chrysler 300 is nice.
As for plenty of good looking interiors in American cars, I would classify the Caddy ATS, XTS, new CTS as having very nice interiors. My Jeep Grand Cherokee has a *great* interior that is even better at higher trim levels. The new Lincoln MKZ has a nice interior. The new Chrysler 300 is nice.
Read the new article that came out about a comparo between the ATS, BMW, Q50 and IS350. I guess the ATS fell short this time around in beating the BMW. But guess what, that is not the biggest surprise.....
09-06-13, 03:56 AM
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^^^^^ Realistically, the competition is very close to the IS, yet when we combine the unflappable Lexus reliability, which product do we end up buying? 
09-06-13, 10:02 AM
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09-06-13, 01:57 PM
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Bare bones rental? LOL! Ok, and I guess you telling me that what I rented was also "APT". I know what I drove I'm not stupid I can tell the difference between bare bones and a loaded ATS. Let me ask you something if you are such and avid fan of this ATS or Cadi why don't you own one?
Had the CTS been out when I bought, I might have a Caddy. I liked the XTS but its too big for me, and the ATS is too small. Caddy has come a long way, interiors are very nice, styling is very nice, chassis and drive is very nice.
I am a car enthusiast and I don't buy into brand war BS. It doesn't hurt me as a Lexus owner to admit that a competitor makes a great product, or even a better product than something Lexus makes.
09-06-13, 07:57 PM
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09-06-13, 10:58 PM
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First of all you said that not me, I never said the the SRX handled better than the ATS. What I said is I like driving the SRX more than the ATS cus it's more luxurious and it's smoother. So stop putting words in my mouth.
Had the CTS been out when I bought, I might have a Caddy. I liked the XTS but its too big for me, and the ATS is too small. Caddy has come a long way, interiors are very nice, styling is very nice, chassis and drive is very nice.
I am a car enthusiast and I don't buy into brand war BS. It doesn't hurt me as a Lexus owner to admit that a competitor makes a great product, or even a better product than something Lexus makes.
I am a car enthusiast and I don't buy into brand war BS. It doesn't hurt me as a Lexus owner to admit that a competitor makes a great product, or even a better product than something Lexus makes.
09-07-13, 09:37 AM
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I'm going to choose it ignore your childish rudeness and address you with respect.
I guess you're renting cars from different places than me.
Well, of course the SRX is smoother and more luxurious than the ATS. The ES and RX are smoother and more luxurious than the IS too. Completely different vehicles.
This is a Lexus forum, hence why my signature reads "Previous LEXUS vehicles". But yes, I am a Lexus enthusiast and like Lexus vehicles very much. Doesn't mean I think everybody else makes crap.
The IS is a great car...lots of other great cars out there though. I for one think the ATS is also a great car, and an incredible leap forward for Cadillac. Lots of auto journalists agree. An open mind is important.
I guess you're renting cars from different places than me.
WRONG!!!! Would like to use your shout out for help? One more strike and your out!
First of all you said that not me, I never said the the SRX handled better than the ATS. What I said is I like driving the SRX more than the ATS cus it's more luxurious and it's smoother. So stop putting words in my mouth.
First of all you said that not me, I never said the the SRX handled better than the ATS. What I said is I like driving the SRX more than the ATS cus it's more luxurious and it's smoother. So stop putting words in my mouth.
Is that why you only have Lexus cars on your signature? Hmmmm... oh wait you have a Jeep so ok I believe you.
When I test drove the IS I couldn't get the silly grin off my face.
09-07-13, 10:11 AM
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ATS and IS are leaders in this segment.
Drove the ATS V6 with magnetic ride control... Awesome car. I'd pick it over the 3 series all day long.
For me id pick the new IS over the ATS - but only by a slim margin (The 350 F-Sport w/ LFA gauges, AVS, and VGRS) . ATS is one hell of a car though
Drove the ATS V6 with magnetic ride control... Awesome car. I'd pick it over the 3 series all day long.
For me id pick the new IS over the ATS - but only by a slim margin (The 350 F-Sport w/ LFA gauges, AVS, and VGRS) . ATS is one hell of a car though
09-07-13, 10:34 AM
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You guess right....
Indeed!