My review of the 2014 Lexus IS350 F-Sport (short test drive)
08-07-13, 08:20 PM
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From a previous post in this thread by a 2IS owner - "And it's another completely retarded omission by Lexus if the F-Sport indeed doesn't have this feature. All the supporting hardware is there. It's got the mirrors, it's got the gear selector and it's got motors in the mirror."
Some could say that people who don't own the 2014 IS post their biased disdain for the 3IS by using offensive "R-word" pejoratives that were common in less enlightened times to describe people who are handicapped and in doing so reveal more about who they are then they might have intended.
Is a Cannondale Ultegra Di2 Bike any less a riders bike because it has a place for a water bottle? Is a Schwinn a better bike because it has 10 speeds and a basket in front and the Cannondale has only 1 speed and no basket or any other "luxury" items? The Cannondale cost $3600 the Schwinn $150. How dare Cannondale cut costs!
I'd take the Cannondale over the Schwinn any day.
And you non 3IS owning people expect respect?
Some could say that people who don't own the 2014 IS post their biased disdain for the 3IS by using offensive "R-word" pejoratives that were common in less enlightened times to describe people who are handicapped and in doing so reveal more about who they are then they might have intended.
Is a Cannondale Ultegra Di2 Bike any less a riders bike because it has a place for a water bottle? Is a Schwinn a better bike because it has 10 speeds and a basket in front and the Cannondale has only 1 speed and no basket or any other "luxury" items? The Cannondale cost $3600 the Schwinn $150. How dare Cannondale cut costs!
I'd take the Cannondale over the Schwinn any day.
And you non 3IS owning people expect respect?
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08-07-13, 09:01 PM
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Well that's why they're called options and not standard features. You add them if you want to pay for them, don't if you don't. Your manual control theory still doesn't make sense saying it a 2nd time. In fact, it sounds rathe. ridiculous for reasons already mentioned. Again, you can control them manually. I can post pictures of how to do it if you don't believe me... I assure you I have just as much manual control over my wipers that ARE rain sensing as anyone that doesn't have them.
The mere fact that SW13GS agrees with me should be enough to put this "ultimate wiper control" theory to rest, as he and I rarely agree on anything. Some could say, go out of our way to disagree.
The mere fact that SW13GS agrees with me should be enough to put this "ultimate wiper control" theory to rest, as he and I rarely agree on anything. Some could say, go out of our way to disagree.
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08-07-13, 09:48 PM
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From a previous post in this thread by a 2IS owner - "And it's another completely retarded omission by Lexus if the F-Sport indeed doesn't have this feature. All the supporting hardware is there. It's got the mirrors, it's got the gear selector and it's got motors in the mirror."
Some could say that people who don't own the 2014 IS post their biased disdain for the 3IS by using offensive "R-word" pejoratives that were common in less enlightened times to describe people who are handicapped and in doing so reveal more about who they are then they might have intended.
Is a Cannondale Ultegra Di2 Bike any less a riders bike because it has a place for a water bottle? Is a Schwinn a better bike because it has 10 speeds and a basket in front and the Cannondale has only 1 speed and no basket or any other "luxury" items? The Cannondale cost $3600 the Schwinn $150. How dare Cannondale cut costs!
I'd take the Cannondale over the Schwinn any day.
And you non 3IS owning people expect respect?
Some could say that people who don't own the 2014 IS post their biased disdain for the 3IS by using offensive "R-word" pejoratives that were common in less enlightened times to describe people who are handicapped and in doing so reveal more about who they are then they might have intended.
Is a Cannondale Ultegra Di2 Bike any less a riders bike because it has a place for a water bottle? Is a Schwinn a better bike because it has 10 speeds and a basket in front and the Cannondale has only 1 speed and no basket or any other "luxury" items? The Cannondale cost $3600 the Schwinn $150. How dare Cannondale cut costs!
I'd take the Cannondale over the Schwinn any day.
And you non 3IS owning people expect respect?
08-07-13, 09:55 PM
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My other idea is that it was omitted to save weight, not the individual option alone but grouped together the items such as rain sense , cooling seats, power steering column and blind spot detector were all deleted to help it save weight somewhere. After all the f sport is supposed to be a sports sedan and should be low weight.
Big, successful companies make bad decisions all the time and I think this is one of them. Microsoft did Vista, Apple came out with Apple Maps, Nintendo with their Wii-U.
Personally I think a lot of options were left out to be made available for subsequent model years to keep the vehicle current and have new features compared to the previous model.
Give me a new engine, a larger nav screen, rain sensing wipers, and ventilated seats and I'd buy the car. Note that 2 of these options already exist, they're just not being made available, so I'm really only asking for 2 "NEW" features.
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08-07-13, 11:24 PM
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I'm sure Lexus has their reasons for doing what they did, I just personally don't think they are good reasons. Look at it this way, clearly there are people unsatisfied because it doesn't have what they want. Do you think there would be more or less people complaining if it DID have what they wanted? Again, I must reiterate, these are options. That means both the cost (and weight) is something the consumer can decide on.
Big, successful companies make bad decisions all the time and I think this is one of them. Microsoft did Vista, Apple came out with Apple Maps, Nintendo with their Wii-U.
Personally I think a lot of options were left out to be made available for subsequent model years to keep the vehicle current and have new features compared to the previous model.
Give me a new engine, a larger nav screen, rain sensing wipers, and ventilated seats and I'd buy the car. Note that 2 of these options already exist, they're just not being made available, so I'm really only asking for 2 "NEW" features.
Big, successful companies make bad decisions all the time and I think this is one of them. Microsoft did Vista, Apple came out with Apple Maps, Nintendo with their Wii-U.
Personally I think a lot of options were left out to be made available for subsequent model years to keep the vehicle current and have new features compared to the previous model.
Give me a new engine, a larger nav screen, rain sensing wipers, and ventilated seats and I'd buy the car. Note that 2 of these options already exist, they're just not being made available, so I'm really only asking for 2 "NEW" features.
08-08-13, 12:43 AM
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I didn't think this was going to be necessary but there appears to be confusion on what the term option means so...
op·tion
/ˈäpSHən/
Noun
A thing that is or may be chosen.
Synonyms
choice - selection - pick - alternative - election
What that means is if you don't like the price of the vehicle with options, you have the choice of not equipping your vehicle as such. But of course... How dare BMW give you choices! Shame on them right?
08-08-13, 08:02 AM
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Really? You know this? You have proof? It's cost cutting? For what reason? So they can lose market share i.e. those people who need rain sensing windshield wipers, etc.? Help me to understand why in an extremely competitive environment Lexus would pull a fast one and cut cost.
Cost cutting is a reality of product production everywhere. The IS is an entry level car and its built to a price. Sitting in the IS, cost cutting is apparent. Its not egregious like it is in the 6ES but its there. Why doesn't every car have leather everywhere? Cost cutting. Why doesn't every car have incredible inch thick carpeting? Cost cutting. When you sit out to produce something you have a budget, if you want to do something in one area, it may take away from other areas.
The M5 has automatic wipers...you don't have to sacrifice features like auto wipers or ventilated seats to have a "driver focused" car. If Lexus really thinks that...they think its the case in the US but not in other countries?!?
I'm a big fan of the 3IS, and I have stuck up for it at every opportunity, but you have to be objective and call a spade a spade. You can say these features don't matter to you, thats fine. But they WERE omitted from the IS to save cost...if you want those features and still want the attributes of the F-Sport...you have to look elsewhere because of Lexus' packaging decision. Thats just a fact.
Originally Posted by Ramon
The mere fact that SW13GS agrees with me should be enough to put this "ultimate wiper control" theory to rest, as he and I rarely agree on anything. Some could say, go out of our way to disagree.
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08-08-13, 08:39 AM
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I'm sure Lexus has their reasons for doing what they did, I just personally don't think they are good reasons. Look at it this way, clearly there are people unsatisfied because it doesn't have what they want. Do you think there would be more or less people complaining if it DID have what they wanted? Again, I must reiterate, these are options. That means both the cost (and weight) is something the consumer can decide on.
Big, successful companies make bad decisions all the time and I think this is one of them. Microsoft did Vista, Apple came out with Apple Maps, Nintendo with their Wii-U.
Personally I think a lot of options were left out to be made available for subsequent model years to keep the vehicle current and have new features compared to the previous model.
Give me a new engine, a larger nav screen, rain sensing wipers, and ventilated seats and I'd buy the car. Note that 2 of these options already exist, they're just not being made available, so I'm really only asking for 2 "NEW" features.
Big, successful companies make bad decisions all the time and I think this is one of them. Microsoft did Vista, Apple came out with Apple Maps, Nintendo with their Wii-U.
Personally I think a lot of options were left out to be made available for subsequent model years to keep the vehicle current and have new features compared to the previous model.
Give me a new engine, a larger nav screen, rain sensing wipers, and ventilated seats and I'd buy the car. Note that 2 of these options already exist, they're just not being made available, so I'm really only asking for 2 "NEW" features.
08-08-13, 08:56 AM
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I agree with Ramon. It is exactly what they are going to do. You know that the body of the 3IS is not going to change much over the five, six or seven years. It will be the options that they sprinkle in every model year that will entice buyers to keep looking at this car. Yes, the new car looks good, but as a current 2008 IS350 owner, I am not willing to give up some of my options I have on my car just so I can say look what I got. I will wait for next year and see what the options look like. Give me at least the driver's seat that has memory on the FSport and that will get the conversation started.
08-08-13, 09:30 AM
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Something is going on with the rain sensors, though.
Here in the UK, my wife's Q3 base came with rain sensors. Yet a Lexus IS base model here doesn't - even though Lexus was once famed for giving you all the kit!
It is certainly a risk.
Here in the UK, my wife's Q3 base came with rain sensors. Yet a Lexus IS base model here doesn't - even though Lexus was once famed for giving you all the kit!
It is certainly a risk.
08-08-13, 12:35 PM
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Because its logical. In a luxury vehicle more features=better. They wanted to bring the car in at a certain price for the US market and some things needed to go. In other markets its less of an issue Its the same thing on the 4GS. Why doesn't it have a power trunk and power mirrors when the 3GS had them and the 4GS does in other markets? Cost cutting. Why does the US 3IS F Sport not have ventillated seats, memory seats, or auto wipers when that car has those features in other markets? Cost cutting. Why no USB on the US IS? Cost cutting...they needed to reduce the number of colors. Less colors produced on the same model = cheaper production.
Cost cutting is a reality of product production everywhere. The IS is an entry level car and its built to a price. Sitting in the IS, cost cutting is apparent. Its not egregious like it is in the 6ES but its there. Why doesn't every car have leather everywhere? Cost cutting. Why doesn't every car have incredible inch thick carpeting? Cost cutting. When you sit out to produce something you have a budget, if you want to do something in one area, it may take away from other areas.
The M5 has automatic wipers...you don't have to sacrifice features like auto wipers or ventilated seats to have a "driver focused" car. If Lexus really thinks that...they think its the case in the US but not in other countries?!?
I'm a big fan of the 3IS, and I have stuck up for it at every opportunity, but you have to be objective and call a spade a spade. You can say these features don't matter to you, thats fine. But they WERE omitted from the IS to save cost...if you want those features and still want the attributes of the F-Sport...you have to look elsewhere because of Lexus' packaging decision. Thats just a fact.
This is for sure! haha
Cost cutting is a reality of product production everywhere. The IS is an entry level car and its built to a price. Sitting in the IS, cost cutting is apparent. Its not egregious like it is in the 6ES but its there. Why doesn't every car have leather everywhere? Cost cutting. Why doesn't every car have incredible inch thick carpeting? Cost cutting. When you sit out to produce something you have a budget, if you want to do something in one area, it may take away from other areas.
The M5 has automatic wipers...you don't have to sacrifice features like auto wipers or ventilated seats to have a "driver focused" car. If Lexus really thinks that...they think its the case in the US but not in other countries?!?
I'm a big fan of the 3IS, and I have stuck up for it at every opportunity, but you have to be objective and call a spade a spade. You can say these features don't matter to you, thats fine. But they WERE omitted from the IS to save cost...if you want those features and still want the attributes of the F-Sport...you have to look elsewhere because of Lexus' packaging decision. Thats just a fact.
This is for sure! haha
I also hear countless auto journalists hate on nanny stuff like lane departure or blind spot stuff on drivers cars.
The f sport is not the luxury version of this car it is the sport edition. I dont see what the big deal is
08-08-13, 01:12 PM
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You really need to drop the drivers car bit. Why does it have cruise control then? Everything that's being done is being done in the name of cost cutting or profit maximizing.
How likely is it for someone who leases a 3IS for 2 or 3 years to lease another one that has no new features? How likely is it that they'd lease another one WITH new features? It has nothing to do with "drivers car" or "ultimate wiper control" or anything like that.
How likely is it for someone who leases a 3IS for 2 or 3 years to lease another one that has no new features? How likely is it that they'd lease another one WITH new features? It has nothing to do with "drivers car" or "ultimate wiper control" or anything like that.
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08-08-13, 01:20 PM
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You really need to drop the drivers car bit. Why does it have cruise control then? Everything that's being done is being done in the name of cost cutting or profit maximizing.
How likely is it for someone who leases a 3IS for 2 or 3 years to lease another one that has no new features? How likely is it that they'd lease another one WITH new features? It has nothing to do with "drivers car" or "ultimate wiper control" or anything like that.
How likely is it for someone who leases a 3IS for 2 or 3 years to lease another one that has no new features? How likely is it that they'd lease another one WITH new features? It has nothing to do with "drivers car" or "ultimate wiper control" or anything like that.
08-08-13, 01:28 PM
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