Looks like a wagon / estate version is coming!
01-11-13, 08:59 AM
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Thats just the thing, thats exactly my point. They haven't invested heavily in diesels for you because they would only be for your market...and Lexus isn't going to do aggressive R&D if the result of that cannot be used for the benefit of their primary market, the US.
Same is true of a wagon.
I thought you said they had no interest in changing that?
Same is true of a wagon.
I thought you said they had no interest in changing that?
And the final question is, how do you expand on a market if you refuse to invest some money there. No company has ever made good profits from day one.
01-11-13, 09:08 AM
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I don't disagree with you, if they want to grow their market share in Europe they are going to have to invest in what European carbuyers want.
The question is are they really going to take that risk/gamble when its a vehicle they cannot also be successful with here in the US. Building a wagon is a bigger gamble than developing a great diesel they can put into the cars they've already developed, or selling cheaper, decontented volume cars to compete with Mercedes, BMW & Audi.
I don't see them leading with the wagon personally...when as the other poster above from Switzerland pointed out they don't even sell more stripped down decontented vehicles as luxury marques do in Europe...but like I said I could be wrong. We'll see.
The question is are they really going to take that risk/gamble when its a vehicle they cannot also be successful with here in the US. Building a wagon is a bigger gamble than developing a great diesel they can put into the cars they've already developed, or selling cheaper, decontented volume cars to compete with Mercedes, BMW & Audi.
I don't see them leading with the wagon personally...when as the other poster above from Switzerland pointed out they don't even sell more stripped down decontented vehicles as luxury marques do in Europe...but like I said I could be wrong. We'll see.
01-11-13, 11:46 AM
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Here's a chop I found on The Lexus Enthusiast's Facebook
I love the idea, the Sportcross was such a neat, and rare car.
I love the idea, the Sportcross was such a neat, and rare car.
01-11-13, 04:05 PM
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Too bad the "good wagons" don't make it state side... RS6, Shooting Brake CLS63. All I can look forward to is the new AWD E63. But if there's an ISF Wagon?!? I'm in! No way someone will catch me in a damn mini van or tall suv with my family. I'll make it work somehow. haha. It's all about the car's dynamics for me. 
01-11-13, 06:53 PM
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TSX mis-information
This is incorrect and was repeated 2 more times by people who don't know the facts...
The TSX sportwagon is still on sale, and please visit Acura's site to build yours. In December 2012 it sold 414 units (4,234 for all of 2012), compared to 295 in December 2011 (3,210 for all of 2011). Granted, those aren't huge numbers compared to run of the mill Camrys and Accords. But only 1 of those years equals the entire Lexus Sportcross volume sold during it's 2002-2005 run in the USA (somewhere over 3,000 sold in total). So comparatively speaking, the TSX has been a greater success while at a similar price-point to where the Sportcross was 7-10 years ago.
The Sportcross was too small inside for the price, and a gas guzzler considering it's size (though the engine was sweet). I know. I owned one. I still get goose-bumps every time I (rarely) see one on the road. And I still miss it. In my opinion it was ahead of it's time. But wagons, like 5-door liftbacks (aka, Mazda 6 hatches) are a hard sell in the US.
I hope Lexus pulls a surprise and indeed offers a beautifully styled 3IS Sportcross. I'd probably buy one. Though I'm more disappointed there doesn't seem to be a manual tranny option for the sedan (even if it had to be ordered), at least at launch. I hope maybe it will arrive in year 2, or at the mid-cycle refresh along with a revised IS250 powerplant.
Eagerly awaiting the 15th!
The TSX sportwagon is still on sale, and please visit Acura's site to build yours. In December 2012 it sold 414 units (4,234 for all of 2012), compared to 295 in December 2011 (3,210 for all of 2011). Granted, those aren't huge numbers compared to run of the mill Camrys and Accords. But only 1 of those years equals the entire Lexus Sportcross volume sold during it's 2002-2005 run in the USA (somewhere over 3,000 sold in total). So comparatively speaking, the TSX has been a greater success while at a similar price-point to where the Sportcross was 7-10 years ago.
The Sportcross was too small inside for the price, and a gas guzzler considering it's size (though the engine was sweet). I know. I owned one. I still get goose-bumps every time I (rarely) see one on the road. And I still miss it. In my opinion it was ahead of it's time. But wagons, like 5-door liftbacks (aka, Mazda 6 hatches) are a hard sell in the US.
I hope Lexus pulls a surprise and indeed offers a beautifully styled 3IS Sportcross. I'd probably buy one. Though I'm more disappointed there doesn't seem to be a manual tranny option for the sedan (even if it had to be ordered), at least at launch. I hope maybe it will arrive in year 2, or at the mid-cycle refresh along with a revised IS250 powerplant.
Eagerly awaiting the 15th!
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01-11-13, 09:01 PM
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01-11-13, 09:54 PM
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He was told that this would be the last year, and his dealership wasn't ordering any because they just didn't sell.
Its a shame because they're nice vehicles.
Its a shame because they're nice vehicles.
01-12-13, 09:55 AM
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This is incorrect and was repeated 2 more times by people who don't know the facts...
The TSX sportwagon is still on sale, and please visit Acura's site to build yours. In December 2012 it sold 414 units (4,234 for all of 2012), compared to 295 in December 2011 (3,210 for all of 2011). Granted, those aren't huge numbers compared to run of the mill Camrys and Accords. But only 1 of those years equals the entire Lexus Sportcross volume sold during it's 2002-2005 run in the USA (somewhere over 3,000 sold in total). So comparatively speaking, the TSX has been a greater success while at a similar price-point to where the Sportcross was 7-10 years ago.
The TSX sportwagon is still on sale, and please visit Acura's site to build yours. In December 2012 it sold 414 units (4,234 for all of 2012), compared to 295 in December 2011 (3,210 for all of 2011). Granted, those aren't huge numbers compared to run of the mill Camrys and Accords. But only 1 of those years equals the entire Lexus Sportcross volume sold during it's 2002-2005 run in the USA (somewhere over 3,000 sold in total). So comparatively speaking, the TSX has been a greater success while at a similar price-point to where the Sportcross was 7-10 years ago.
The TSX Sportwagon, IMO, is the body style that Honda should have used for the Accord's Crosstour series, instead of that silly rounded droop-down rear end that just eats up needed cargo space.
The Sportcross was too small inside for the price,
and a gas guzzler considering it's size (though the engine was sweet).
If Lexus had offered the SportCross when I bought my 2001 IS, I would have seriously considered one. The ideal SportCross, of course, would be an AWD version so it could compete with the Audi Quattro/All-Road//Volvo XC70 competition and top-line Subaru Legacy/Outback models....though, to some extent, the Toyota Venza wagon already does that now.
01-12-13, 11:13 AM
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01-12-13, 12:06 PM
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I mean the real F. We will have to see if they ever bring F wagon to the table or not, but I really like the idea. The sleeper part does remind me a bit about a Volvo wagon with 2JZ.
