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Old 05-28-14, 12:29 PM
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First thing first...leak down test!
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first time heard about Lexus 350 or 300 engine problem.....don't swap........make a computer check.... check for errors and codes and what the ECU is reading .............lose of power means some thing give the ECU wrong reading.


From the sound it's looks like the cam-positioner sonser......timing issue......the ECU drop the timing and make it running rich .


also the catalyst converter might be plugged with carbon and it did the same problem too.....remove the catalyst converter and run the engine with open exhaust....don't go on roads and get violation ......don't forget to plug your ears ...and see what happen...the engine seems good to me only simple thing .

make an ECU scan by dealer tuner and it will tell you everything about it
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Originally Posted by Gville350
^Honestly, you need to take embolism's advice and still think about visting a Lexus dealership. The IS350 has had two engine-related recalls that COULD cause your problem :

1)Valve spring recall - from what I remember the springs could fatigue and break, causing you to drop a valve and lose compression in that cylinder and create quite the noise
2)VVT cam gear recall - recent recall where bolts in the cam gear can back out over time and could be what you're hearing rattling around behind the timing cover. That loose bolt will cause havok to the timing of the vehicle and cause devitation on the motor

What is your VIN code so I can help you pull your previous Lexus service history?
I will tow it too Lexus as soon as I get a chance you guys are right might as we'll pay to do it right! I never been to a recall ever since I got the car in 2012 the vin is JTHBE262375016669

Originally Posted by DKIS350
Id go with getting a second opinion. To throw a few parts at it and say you need an engine with little backing it doesnt seem right. What kind of codes are coming up with this issue?
Yes I'm an idiot I didn't right down the codes I was expecting a fix should of really looked into it more!!
Is that video the first time this issue happened? If it runs fine sometimes and then suddenly quits, theres more to it than just being a bad engine, and may not be the engine at all.
Yes the videos are from the same day it happened out of nowhere.
I had a customer come in with a car that would randomly do something similar (or so it seems with out knowing all the history of your vehicle). He thought he needed a new engine by the time he brought it to me, ended up being a plugged cat that only restricted the exhaust when it got hot enough. Didnt take my tech long to figure out, but this was after my customer himself already wasted money on new MAF sensor and coil packs that he didnt need.
wow yeah I'll get that checked out! My mechanic just said to get a new engine so it's less work.

Originally Posted by Jaykobo
first time heard about Lexus 350 or 300 engine problem.....don't swap........make a computer check.... check for errors and codes and what the ECU is reading .............lose of power means some thing give the ECU wrong reading.


From the sound it's looks like the cam-positioner sonser......timing issue......the ECU drop the timing and make it running rich .


also the catalyst converter might be plugged with carbon and it did the same problem too.....remove the catalyst converter and run the engine with open exhaust....don't go on roads and get violation ......don't forget to plug your ears ...and see what happen...the engine seems good to me only simple thing .

make an ECU scan by dealer tuner and it will tell you everything about it
yes will do and keep you guys informed! Thank you so much everyone this information and the help means so much to me!! Bless you all!!
Old 05-28-14, 06:21 PM
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I'm seeing right away that the valve spring recall was performed at 54k miles and that the cam gear recall was NOT mentioned. Reason being the cam gear recall has only been in existence for about the past year or so. Other than that, looks like the car had a pretty good maintenance history...that is, until it blew up. LOL!

Dealer Reported 06/18/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 66316 0210606 OIL AND FILTER CHANGE
Dealer Reported 06/18/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 66316 0210606 OWNER DECLINED MOUNT AND BALANCE
Dealer Reported 06/18/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 66316 0210606 CLIENT DECLINED REAR BRAKES AND REAR CALIPER REPLACEMENT. 2/32 INCH REMAINING, B
Dealer Reported 06/18/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 66316 0210606 PROVIDED CLIENT WITH ESTIMATE
Dealer Reported 06/18/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 66316 0210606 DEFAULT
Dealer Reported 06/18/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 66316 0210606 BLA TIGHTEN FUEL PRESSURE SENSOR GASKET - IS/GS
Dealer Reported 03/11/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 60810 0205824 PERFORM OIL AND FILTER CHANGE SERVICE CLEAN VEHICLE
Dealer Reported 01/29/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 58758 0203533 REPLACE REMOTE AND PROGRAM
Dealer Reported 11/11/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 54367 0199726 OXYGEN SENSOR (ONE) BAMK 2 SENSOR 1
Dealer Reported 11/11/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 54367 0199726 DIAGNOSIS AND SCAN TOOL
Dealer Reported 11/11/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 54367 0199726 DIAGNOSTICS
Dealer Reported 11/10/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 54344 0199593 ALE REPL COMP SPRINGS & LASH ADJUSTERS FOR IS 350
Dealer Reported 06/18/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 47824 0192785 REC REPLACING TIRE PRESSURE SENSORS AND VALVE STEM CAPS
Dealer Reported 06/18/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 47824 0192785 HAVE HAS AN ENTERED DESTINATION IN ONTARIO CANADA AND IS ZOOMED OUT
Dealer Reported 06/18/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 47824 0192785 UNABLE TO VERIFY CUSTOMER CONCERN AT THIS TIME-VEHICLE IDLEING OK
Dealer Reported 06/18/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 47824 0192785 REC REPLACING ALL FOUR TIRE PRESSURE SENSORS AND VALVE STEM CAPS-EST $986.13
Dealer Reported 04/30/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 43907 0190202 PERFORM OIL CHANGE SERVICE CLEAN VEHICLE.
Dealer Reported 04/30/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 43907 0190202 9LG REPL PEDAL PAD REFLASH AWFM - IS MODELS ONLY
Dealer Reported 01/15/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 38879 0184691 PERFORM OIL CHANGE SERVICE CLEAN VEHICLE.
Dealer Reported 01/15/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 38879 0184691 REPLACE FRT BRAKE PADS/RESURFACE ROTORS**SPECIAL DISCOUNT PRICING**
Dealer Reported 01/15/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 38879 0184691 AIR FILTER DIRTY, REPLACE AS NEEDED
Dealer Reported 01/15/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 38879 0184691 REPLACE REAR DIFFERENTIAL FLUID
Dealer Reported 01/15/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 38879 0184691 FUEL SYSTEM CLEANING. CLEAN CARBON FROM THROTTLE BODY AND INJECTORS
Dealer Reported 01/15/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 38879 0184691 REPLACE WIPER INSERTS
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 PERFORM OIL CHANGE SERVICE CLEAN VEHICLE.
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 TECH. FOUND THAT THE VEHICLE HAD AFTERMARKET BRAKE PADS ON IT WHICH WERE MAKING
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 LOANER GAS SURCHARGE
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 REPLACE FRONT BRAKE PADS, SHIM AND ROTORS
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 REPLACE REAR BRAKE PADS, SHIMS AND ROTORS
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 MOUNT AND BALANCE TWO NEW REAR TIRES + ALG + ROAD HAZ. WAR
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 9LA REPLACE FUEL DELIVERY PIPES FOR IS250/350
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 ADMINISTRATIVE FEE/CAR WASH
Dealer Reported 12/03/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 26856 0163507 PERFORM OIL CHANGE SERVICE CLEAN VEHICLE.
Dealer Reported 12/03/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 26856 0163507 MOUNT AND BALANCE ONE NEW FRONT TIRE
Dealer Reported 12/03/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 26856 0163507 MOUNT AND BALANCE TWO NEW REAR TIRES + ALG
Dealer Reported 07/30/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 21321 0157161 PERFORM OIL CHANGE SERVICE CLEAN VEHICLE.
Dealer Reported 07/30/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 21321 0157161 AIR FILTER DIRTY, REPLACE AS NEEDED
Dealer Reported 07/30/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 21321 0157161 REPLACED A/C POLLEN FILTER
Dealer Reported 07/30/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 21321 0157161 MOUNT AND BALANCE 2 NEW TIRES + ALG +ROAD HAZ. WARRANTY
Dealer Reported 07/30/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 21321 0157161 SPECIAL ORDER PARTS- SERVICE CONSULTANT WILL CONTACT YOU BY PHONE WHEN PARTS ARR
Dealer Reported 05/08/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 16927 0152565 FRONT SHOCK ABSORBER 1-SD
Dealer Reported 04/22/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 15968 0151798 DISMOUNTED TIRE FROM WHEEL INSTALLED TIRE PRESSURE SENSOR, AND RE-MOUNTED TIRE O
Dealer Reported 04/22/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 15968 0151798 RE-PROGRAMMED TIRE PRESSURE SENSORS TO VEHICLE
Dealer Reported 04/22/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 15968 0151798 SPECIAL ORDER PARTS- SERVICE CONSULTANT WILL CONTACT YOU BY PHONE WHEN PARTS ARR
Dealer Reported 04/22/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 15968 0151798 RESET MAINTENCE LIGHT

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Old 05-29-14, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by itsivan
Heyarms, sadly I blew my engine on my car out of nowhere the car is not drivable rattles no power coming out of it shuts off while driving mechanic said it's timing problem after changing some sensors had a cylinder misfire and other I canot remember! After they got changed still no power coming out and it sounds like crap! He recommended to just get a new engine! I've been feeling horsepower loss for a while. Car just doesent move at all right now.I'm in need of a replacement and I'm having trouble finding a motor for a good price. Does anyone know if I can cross the gs350 or gs450h..... Motor over to make a match. I'd assume I'd get a lighter price on a gs motor vs the is due to the fact that the gs350 was the entry model trim for a good 5 years. Any input would be greatly appreciated
I'm sorry but you sir don't have a mechanic. You have what we use to call when I was a mechanic "A parts swaper". Sounds like he was basically taking a wild guess and changing out parts in hopes getting lucky. I would personaly take the care to a better mechanic ( one with a techstream tool" that can properly diagnose the issue instead of telling you "You need a new engine" with out giving you a reason why.
Old 05-29-14, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by B16da9
I'm sorry but you sir don't have a mechanic. You have what we use to call when I was a mechanic "A parts swaper". Sounds like he was basically taking a wild guess and changing out parts in hopes getting lucky. I would personaly take the care to a better mechanic ( one with a techstream tool" that can properly diagnose the issue instead of telling you "You need a new engine" with out giving you a reason why.
Hear hear! When I read OP's post I was thinking "it's like suggesting a heart transplant for hypertension." Even if he swapped the engine, if it was a sensor or ECU issue etc, or other component it may still have the issue.
Old 05-29-14, 12:49 PM
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Theres plenty of just reason to simply swap a motor in and call it a day. OP has a point in the simplicity of swapping an identical known working motor in. However, I would get a proper diagnosis like others have said. Based on that make your decision.

Side note: You can have my stock IS350 engine and tranny for $2000. It runs amazing; always taken care of, guaranteed.
Old 05-29-14, 12:50 PM
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Dealer for sure. If they find that it is a VVT Cam Gear problem there is a chance that lexus will pay for the fix. Others have been luck on this forum and got a new engine out of it.
Old 05-29-14, 02:04 PM
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Bring it to a good dealer. Check the codes. I had same problem and it was loose ecu ground wire. Car was giving me bunch of codes for bad fuel pump, misfire in all cylinders, malfunction of fuel injector circuit etc. in the end it was the freaking wire. thats all.
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can you imagine? swapping out an engine b/c of a loose wire?

speaking of which, I think I noticed some dirt on my carpet the other day... time for a new car...
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Its great to be optimistic but did you all miss the part where he said the engine knocks, theres no power and and it KNOCKS. Just watched the vid. lol but not lol. Doesn't seem like an electrical issue unless that's spark plug rattle
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Originally Posted by mikellucci
Its great to be optimistic but did you all miss the part where he said the engine knocks, theres no power and and it KNOCKS. Just watched the vid. lol but not lol. Doesn't seem like an electrical issue unless that's spark plug rattle
I only browse these forums at work and youtube is one of those sites that is blocked by our firewall, so i did not see the video.
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^Same here! But I did watch it on my laptop last night, and I couldn't make out any knocking in the vid...only what sounded like horrible misfiring AND zero power. I'd say a compression test would tell quite quickly which cylinders are toast.
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Originally Posted by Gville350
I'm seeing right away that the valve spring recall was performed at 54k miles and that the cam gear recall was NOT mentioned. Reason being the cam gear recall has only been in existence for about the past year or so. Other than that, looks like the car had a pretty good maintenance history...that is, until it blew up. LOL!

Dealer Reported 06/18/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 66316 0210606 OIL AND FILTER CHANGE
Dealer Reported 06/18/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 66316 0210606 OWNER DECLINED MOUNT AND BALANCE
Dealer Reported 06/18/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 66316 0210606 CLIENT DECLINED REAR BRAKES AND REAR CALIPER REPLACEMENT. 2/32 INCH REMAINING, B
Dealer Reported 06/18/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 66316 0210606 PROVIDED CLIENT WITH ESTIMATE
Dealer Reported 06/18/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 66316 0210606 DEFAULT
Dealer Reported 06/18/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 66316 0210606 BLA TIGHTEN FUEL PRESSURE SENSOR GASKET - IS/GS
Dealer Reported 03/11/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 60810 0205824 PERFORM OIL AND FILTER CHANGE SERVICE CLEAN VEHICLE
Dealer Reported 01/29/2011 Len Stoler Lexus 58758 0203533 REPLACE REMOTE AND PROGRAM
Dealer Reported 11/11/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 54367 0199726 OXYGEN SENSOR (ONE) BAMK 2 SENSOR 1
Dealer Reported 11/11/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 54367 0199726 DIAGNOSIS AND SCAN TOOL
Dealer Reported 11/11/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 54367 0199726 DIAGNOSTICS
Dealer Reported 11/10/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 54344 0199593 ALE REPL COMP SPRINGS & LASH ADJUSTERS FOR IS 350
Dealer Reported 06/18/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 47824 0192785 REC REPLACING TIRE PRESSURE SENSORS AND VALVE STEM CAPS
Dealer Reported 06/18/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 47824 0192785 HAVE HAS AN ENTERED DESTINATION IN ONTARIO CANADA AND IS ZOOMED OUT
Dealer Reported 06/18/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 47824 0192785 UNABLE TO VERIFY CUSTOMER CONCERN AT THIS TIME-VEHICLE IDLEING OK
Dealer Reported 06/18/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 47824 0192785 REC REPLACING ALL FOUR TIRE PRESSURE SENSORS AND VALVE STEM CAPS-EST $986.13
Dealer Reported 04/30/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 43907 0190202 PERFORM OIL CHANGE SERVICE CLEAN VEHICLE.
Dealer Reported 04/30/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 43907 0190202 9LG REPL PEDAL PAD REFLASH AWFM - IS MODELS ONLY
Dealer Reported 01/15/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 38879 0184691 PERFORM OIL CHANGE SERVICE CLEAN VEHICLE.
Dealer Reported 01/15/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 38879 0184691 REPLACE FRT BRAKE PADS/RESURFACE ROTORS**SPECIAL DISCOUNT PRICING**
Dealer Reported 01/15/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 38879 0184691 AIR FILTER DIRTY, REPLACE AS NEEDED
Dealer Reported 01/15/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 38879 0184691 REPLACE REAR DIFFERENTIAL FLUID
Dealer Reported 01/15/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 38879 0184691 FUEL SYSTEM CLEANING. CLEAN CARBON FROM THROTTLE BODY AND INJECTORS
Dealer Reported 01/15/2010 Len Stoler Lexus 38879 0184691 REPLACE WIPER INSERTS
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 PERFORM OIL CHANGE SERVICE CLEAN VEHICLE.
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 TECH. FOUND THAT THE VEHICLE HAD AFTERMARKET BRAKE PADS ON IT WHICH WERE MAKING
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 LOANER GAS SURCHARGE
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 REPLACE FRONT BRAKE PADS, SHIM AND ROTORS
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 REPLACE REAR BRAKE PADS, SHIMS AND ROTORS
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 MOUNT AND BALANCE TWO NEW REAR TIRES + ALG + ROAD HAZ. WAR
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 9LA REPLACE FUEL DELIVERY PIPES FOR IS250/350
Dealer Reported 05/18/2009 Len Stoler Lexus 32865 0172096 ADMINISTRATIVE FEE/CAR WASH
Dealer Reported 12/03/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 26856 0163507 PERFORM OIL CHANGE SERVICE CLEAN VEHICLE.
Dealer Reported 12/03/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 26856 0163507 MOUNT AND BALANCE ONE NEW FRONT TIRE
Dealer Reported 12/03/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 26856 0163507 MOUNT AND BALANCE TWO NEW REAR TIRES + ALG
Dealer Reported 07/30/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 21321 0157161 PERFORM OIL CHANGE SERVICE CLEAN VEHICLE.
Dealer Reported 07/30/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 21321 0157161 AIR FILTER DIRTY, REPLACE AS NEEDED
Dealer Reported 07/30/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 21321 0157161 REPLACED A/C POLLEN FILTER
Dealer Reported 07/30/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 21321 0157161 MOUNT AND BALANCE 2 NEW TIRES + ALG +ROAD HAZ. WARRANTY
Dealer Reported 07/30/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 21321 0157161 SPECIAL ORDER PARTS- SERVICE CONSULTANT WILL CONTACT YOU BY PHONE WHEN PARTS ARR
Dealer Reported 05/08/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 16927 0152565 FRONT SHOCK ABSORBER 1-SD
Dealer Reported 04/22/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 15968 0151798 DISMOUNTED TIRE FROM WHEEL INSTALLED TIRE PRESSURE SENSOR, AND RE-MOUNTED TIRE O
Dealer Reported 04/22/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 15968 0151798 RE-PROGRAMMED TIRE PRESSURE SENSORS TO VEHICLE
Dealer Reported 04/22/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 15968 0151798 SPECIAL ORDER PARTS- SERVICE CONSULTANT WILL CONTACT YOU BY PHONE WHEN PARTS ARR
Dealer Reported 04/22/2008 Len Stoler Lexus 15968 0151798 RESET MAINTENCE LIGHT
thank you for taking your time tocheck it out bro means alot!

Originally Posted by mikellucci
Its great to be optimistic but did you all miss the part where he said the engine knocks, theres no power and and it KNOCKS. Just watched the vid. lol but not lol. Doesn't seem like an electrical issue unless that's spark plug rattle
i was at the dealer today they couldnt start it up even in there i towed it to lexus.
they have to drain all the gas from engine and tanks to get a better look and check out te recalls i missed 3 of them.
the codes they got were!
p0010 camshaft position A actuator circuit Bank 1
p0016 camshaft position- camshaft position correlation bank 1 sensor A
p0020 camshaft position a actuator circuit bank 2
p0023 camshaft position B actuator circuit/open bank 2
p0102 mass airflow circuit low
p0113 air temperature circuit high input
p0335 crankshaft position sensor A circuit
p0340 camshaft position sensor circuit
p0348 camshaft position sensor A circuit high input bank 2
thank you so much for your input guys i appreciate it!
Originally Posted by Gville350
^Same here! But I did watch it on my laptop last night, and I couldn't make out any knocking in the vid...only what sounded like horrible misfiring AND zero power. I'd say a compression test would tell quite quickly which cylinders are toast.
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A lot of those codes are pointing to potential top-end damage, perhaps caused by a faulty valve spring or cam gear bolt failure.

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