i wish Lexus had put a high reving 4 cylinder engine in our 250s instead
08-21-11, 04:02 PM
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Yes that is true, even I do think 3 MPG is nothing. However the way I see it is by multiplying that number over the amount of refills (the cost of it) and maximum distance I could of gone on the tank over time, then it begins to add up.
In 3 MPGs, almost could be up to a 45 miles difference assuming 15 gallons just calculating.
In 3 MPGs, almost could be up to a 45 miles difference assuming 15 gallons just calculating.
Last edited by Sango; 08-21-11 at 04:22 PM.
are you saying they shouldn't build the IS250?
08-21-11, 05:31 PM
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The 350 is 10% worse mileage for 50% more power... if you care about power at all it's a no brainer.
If you do not care about power than the 250 is a no brainer, as it's ~$4000 less for otherwise functionally the same car.
It's really about as simple as that.
FWIW though on the price difference- currently $35,748 is invoice on a base 350 and $31,019 on a base 250.... that'd be $4729...BUT...For 2011 though you need to add HIDs to the 250 to get em "even" (you didn't need to in prior years as it wasn't standard on the 350... that gets you a price difference of-
$3976.
So slightly less than 4k.
I don't care how your dealer has em optioned- special order exactly how you want if that's a problem. (and I really don't care about MSRP, because nobody should be paying anywhere close to it)
If you're talking used cars the price gap is likely to be even smaller between em.
If you do not care about power than the 250 is a no brainer, as it's ~$4000 less for otherwise functionally the same car.
It's really about as simple as that.
FWIW though on the price difference- currently $35,748 is invoice on a base 350 and $31,019 on a base 250.... that'd be $4729...BUT...For 2011 though you need to add HIDs to the 250 to get em "even" (you didn't need to in prior years as it wasn't standard on the 350... that gets you a price difference of-
$3976.
So slightly less than 4k.
I don't care how your dealer has em optioned- special order exactly how you want if that's a problem. (and I really don't care about MSRP, because nobody should be paying anywhere close to it)
If you're talking used cars the price gap is likely to be even smaller between em.
08-21-11, 06:19 PM
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Sorry jeff i was in a hurry and didnt make myself clear and forgot to write "high reving" in front of 4cyl, I know there are some 4cyl lexus (mostly hybrids)
Fixed.
From reading on this forum what im gathering is that a lot of 2is owners are living beyond their means and buying a Lexus when they are on a camry budget.
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08-21-11, 06:51 PM
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Lets put it this way, Honda put a 2.4L engine in their Accord.TSX and it still ends up averaging no more than 24mpg. Now for Lexus to put a 2.5 and making it a V6, it has better low end torque and you don't have to slam your foot to the floor to get to the next light.
Or they could have put the 4 cyl. Camry engine in there. Then you'll just have a Camry with a Lexus badge!
Or they could have put the 4 cyl. Camry engine in there. Then you'll just have a Camry with a Lexus badge!
08-21-11, 07:07 PM
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"IS240" - That's why there is no 4 cylinder version, cause the name would look dumb...
The ISx50 V6 is silky smooth all other things equal....
It's a bit dated now due to the ecomony etc... but FWD 4 Cylinder cars use to be considered cheap non-luxury configurations. But all that is changing with the times....
The ISx50 V6 is silky smooth all other things equal....It's a bit dated now due to the ecomony etc... but FWD 4 Cylinder cars use to be considered cheap non-luxury configurations. But all that is changing with the times....
08-21-11, 09:23 PM
#41
The 350 is 10% worse mileage for 50% more power... if you care about power at all it's a no brainer.
If you do not care about power than the 250 is a no brainer, as it's ~$4000 less for otherwise functionally the same car.
It's really about as simple as that.
FWIW though on the price difference- currently $35,748 is invoice on a base 350 and $31,019 on a base 250.... that'd be $4729...BUT...For 2011 though you need to add HIDs to the 250 to get em "even" (you didn't need to in prior years as it wasn't standard on the 350... that gets you a price difference of-
$3976.
So slightly less than 4k.
I don't care how your dealer has em optioned- special order exactly how you want if that's a problem. (and I really don't care about MSRP, because nobody should be paying anywhere close to it)
If you're talking used cars the price gap is likely to be even smaller between em.
If you do not care about power than the 250 is a no brainer, as it's ~$4000 less for otherwise functionally the same car.
It's really about as simple as that.
FWIW though on the price difference- currently $35,748 is invoice on a base 350 and $31,019 on a base 250.... that'd be $4729...BUT...For 2011 though you need to add HIDs to the 250 to get em "even" (you didn't need to in prior years as it wasn't standard on the 350... that gets you a price difference of-
$3976.
So slightly less than 4k.
I don't care how your dealer has em optioned- special order exactly how you want if that's a problem. (and I really don't care about MSRP, because nobody should be paying anywhere close to it)
If you're talking used cars the price gap is likely to be even smaller between em.
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08-22-11, 07:03 AM
#42
I have to disagree. My previous car was a 2007 Honda Civic Si Sedan. There is nothing sweeter than the sound of v-tec turning 8500 rpm, but how often are you turning the engine that high. I was disappointed in the lack of torque this engine had at lower rpm. The V6 in the 250, on the other hand is buttery smooth and can accelerate in 6th gear running 40 mph. Try that with a Civic Si.
08-22-11, 07:30 AM
#43
again, shouldnt have gotten an IS at all
i wasn't in the market for the 350 then, i came from an Evo X, if i need the speed i'd stick with the Evo. i was looking for a sporty, reliable and gas saver commute car and the choices were between the TSX and IS250. IS250 won due to its rwd and looks nicer than the TSX. TSX is not faster than the 250, but it just feels faster, the motor is more eager to rev and the 2.5 V6.
Yes that is true, even I do think 3 MPG is nothing. However the way I see it is by multiplying that number over the amount of refills (the cost of it) and maximum distance I could of gone on the tank over time, then it begins to add up.
In 3 MPGs, almost could be up to a 45 miles difference assuming 15 gallons just calculating.
In 3 MPGs, almost could be up to a 45 miles difference assuming 15 gallons just calculating.
The 350 is 10% worse mileage for 50% more power... if you care about power at all it's a no brainer.
If you do not care about power than the 250 is a no brainer, as it's ~$4000 less for otherwise functionally the same car.
It's really about as simple as that.
FWIW though on the price difference- currently $35,748 is invoice on a base 350 and $31,019 on a base 250.... that'd be $4729...BUT...For 2011 though you need to add HIDs to the 250 to get em "even" (you didn't need to in prior years as it wasn't standard on the 350... that gets you a price difference of-
$3976.
So slightly less than 4k.
I don't care how your dealer has em optioned- special order exactly how you want if that's a problem. (and I really don't care about MSRP, because nobody should be paying anywhere close to it)
If you're talking used cars the price gap is likely to be even smaller between em.
If you do not care about power than the 250 is a no brainer, as it's ~$4000 less for otherwise functionally the same car.
It's really about as simple as that.
FWIW though on the price difference- currently $35,748 is invoice on a base 350 and $31,019 on a base 250.... that'd be $4729...BUT...For 2011 though you need to add HIDs to the 250 to get em "even" (you didn't need to in prior years as it wasn't standard on the 350... that gets you a price difference of-
$3976.
So slightly less than 4k.
I don't care how your dealer has em optioned- special order exactly how you want if that's a problem. (and I really don't care about MSRP, because nobody should be paying anywhere close to it)
If you're talking used cars the price gap is likely to be even smaller between em.
quoted because he gets it
this is way off topic but i'll play along. msrp on my '11 250 was 39xxx, i got it for 33000 before tax and fees. msrp on the '11 f-sport 350 with navi at the time (this February) was 45xxx and dealers won't deal as much on the 350 than the 250s (that's especially true after the Japan earthquake), so the best you can get is around 41000 before tax. also most dealers only have 3 or 4 350s on the lot, so it was very difficult to get the color and option combo you wanted. but this thread was created to highlight the shortcoming of the 2.5 V6 of toyota/lexus, has nothing to do with the 3.5 V6. i know the 3.5 is a great motor, but that's beside the point in this thread.
I have to disagree. My previous car was a 2007 Honda Civic Si Sedan. There is nothing sweeter than the sound of v-tec turning 8500 rpm, but how often are you turning the engine that high. I was disappointed in the lack of torque this engine had at lower rpm. The V6 in the 250, on the other hand is buttery smooth and can accelerate in 6th gear running 40 mph. Try that with a Civic Si.
08-22-11, 07:36 AM
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this is way off topic but i'll play along. msrp on my '11 250 was 39xxx, i got it for 33000 before tax and fees. msrp on the '11 f-sport 350 with navi at the time (this February) was 45xxx and dealers won't deal as much on the 350 than the 250s (that's especially true after the Japan earthquake), so the best you can get is around 41000 before tax. also most dealers only have 3 or 4 350s on the lot, so it was very difficult to get the color and option combo you wanted. but this thread was created to highlight the shortcoming of the 2.5 V6 of toyota/lexus, has nothing to do with the 3.5 V6. i know the 3.5 is a great motor, but that's beside the point in this thread.
I know, because I did.
I paid about the same off MSRP for my 350 as you did for your 250 (slightly less actually). And mine was a special order to boot, not an off-the-lot car.
You might need to do a little shopping around of dealers (I've certainly heard horror stories of insane dealerships that expect MSRP for special orders for example) but emails are free.
Again though- I don't think there is any shortcoming of the V6 in the 250.
If you don't care about power it provides a way to otherwise get a really nice RWD luxury sport sedan for about 4k less money.
If you do care about power then you'd be buying a 350 so you get 50% more power for about 10% more cost (and about 10% of a mileage hit).
Where's the shortcoming?
Last edited by Kurtz; 08-22-11 at 07:48 AM.
08-22-11, 07:59 AM
#45
Sorry jeff i was in a hurry and didnt make myself clear and forgot to write "high reving" in front of 4cyl, I know there are some 4cyl lexus (mostly hybrids)
Fixed.
OK i wasnt gonna mention this but since you wanna bring up pricing... i think its funny you are talking about the difference in price since the F-sport package on your 250 is what $2440 so now we are down to about a $2500 difference, if $2500 affects you buying a $40,000+ car (minimal difference in a payment) then you should be looking for a cheaper vehicle, im not bashing but YES i think they SHOULDNT import the 250 to the US it serves no purpose here, i can see in japan or other countries where they are taxed on displacement but not here. why dont we have an ES250,GS250 and RX250 as well following your logic??? Im sure people would like a cheaper one of those...
From reading on this forum what im gathering is that a lot of 2is owners are living beyond their means and buying a Lexus when they are on a camry budget.
Fixed.
OK i wasnt gonna mention this but since you wanna bring up pricing... i think its funny you are talking about the difference in price since the F-sport package on your 250 is what $2440 so now we are down to about a $2500 difference, if $2500 affects you buying a $40,000+ car (minimal difference in a payment) then you should be looking for a cheaper vehicle, im not bashing but YES i think they SHOULDNT import the 250 to the US it serves no purpose here, i can see in japan or other countries where they are taxed on displacement but not here. why dont we have an ES250,GS250 and RX250 as well following your logic??? Im sure people would like a cheaper one of those...
From reading on this forum what im gathering is that a lot of 2is owners are living beyond their means and buying a Lexus when they are on a camry budget.
Lexus absolutely should be selling the 250 here, they are very popular cars and sell very well, I am pretty sure better than the 350. If they only offered the 350 here I for one would not have a Lexus because I want to be able to afford the options that are useful to me. I think you are in the minority with your thinking on this subject.