Gojirra99

I think a fully loaded GS430 with PCS & ACC is already $62K right ?
So $63K for a GS450h which comes fully loaded is about right . . .

XeroK00L

Please see my post. My calculations were based on a loaded GS without PCS & ACC, since the NM GS450h doesn't seem to have them either. The GS430 costs $62k only if it comes with the $2,280 PCS & ACC AND the near-$2k worth of dealer-installed accessories such as wheels and run-flats; otherwise it costs only about $58k.

Leets

Well, since I'm just a little short of 65k... where can I by my raffle ticket?

Gojirra99

I know, but I think someone has to verify whether the NM GS450h comes with the PCS & LCC , without them, the car isn't truly "fully loaded", which the Lexus hybrid version is supposed to be ?. . . plus a 450 should cost a little more than a 430

Up here in Canada, you can't even get ML/NAV & wood steering wheel without the PCS & LCC, a fully loaded GS430 always comes with PCS & LCC.

rominl

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interesting. in fact the 65k pricetag isn't too bad imho. but calling in the first 2 mins to order your car that's another thing

can't see clearly from the picture what the color is like though, that sux... and i wonder what else is different besides teh exterior color and the wheels

Gojirra99

Typically not much

lexuslover

i hope the 450h is right around 60, not 65. b/c apparently they are using the same "hybrid premium" on the GS as they did on the RX. since the 450h is based off the V6 engine, the premium should be on the GS300/350 pricing, not the GS430 pricing. fully loaded GS3 is right around 51k. the premium on the RX hybrid is roughly 8500 bucks, so if all holds true, the 450h should be right around 60k.

that would be my guess... what do i know, i am waiting for the dang 460 to come out!

XeroK00L

Don't forget the car cover and the floor mats with...*gasp*...the NM logo!

BTW, the wheels are the same as the regular GS450h's.

Gojirra99

Actually I think the premium on the RX hybrid is $11k with all the options loaded, plus the RX does not have the PCS & LCC (fully loaded GS300 at $51k does not have PCS & LCC, plus it's not a 300 gas engine, but a 350 gas engine combined with the hybrid synergy drive for the GS450h), so it should cost more than $60k

XeroK00L

Glad that someone sees my point. The premium should be on a GS350, not a GS300, however. Also, the RX hybrid is only about $4k more expensive than a similarly equipped RX330 AWD. But you are right that a fully loaded GS3 without PCS & ACC is about $51k, not the $53k figure in my post.

So the actual hybrid "premium" of the GS450h = $63k - $51k - 0.5L-premium = $12k - 0.5L-premium = more unreasonable than the RX400h premium since there's no way the extra 0.5L displacement is worth $12k - $5k = $7k!! IMO the extra 0.5L is worth $4k at most. So the actual GS450h "hybrid premium" is more than $12k - $4k = $8k, doubling the RX400h premium!

Gojirra99

One thing you neglected is that the RX hybrid bump the RX from 330 to 400, but for the GS, it's from the 350 to a 450. plus I still think at $63k, the GS450h will come with the PCS & LCC . . .

XeroK00L

That number bump is pretty arbitrarily chosen for marketing purposes. Who says RX400h's performance is really on par with a "4L" engine-powered RX and not a 3.8L or a 4.2L-engine-powered RX? The point is moot as an RX400 doesn't even exist!

The real calculation basis is the addition of the electric drivetrain, and from the specs we have I don't see the electric drivetrain in the GS450h being any stronger than the one on the RX400h. And that's why I said the GS hybrid's "premium" is more unreasonable than the premium of the RX400h.

Gojirra99

As I said, I think the GS450h at $63K should include the PCS & ACC, if not it should only be about $59 k. I think the only thing that's unreasonable about the GS450h pricing is that it only comes fully loaded, thus you have to pay for all of the gadgets, some of them that you may not actually want. That's also true for the RX400h. Thus it's only about $7-8K premium over the loaded GS300 for the extra 0.5 litre displacement PLUS the electric drivetrain. That sounds very reasonable to me . . .
Also, there may also be some other minor differences between GS450h & the GS300, just like those of the GS430 over the GS300, like VDIM, different wheels that cost more, for example, etc.

Again, a loaded GS430 with PCS & LCC is $62k. Does anyone really expect the GS450h, which should be at least as fast, if not faster, & with better gas mileage, to cost less ?

LexFather

I am with AmethySC here, I've estimated 65k since we first heard of this car. Hyrbids only come loaded from my understanding and with the yen trading where it is, and with the additional, newer engine and hybrid technology, 65k sounds about right and Lexus will sell every last one they can build.

Funny but I see the 450h becoming a real image maker for Lexus, b/c its a hybrid.

340hp sounds about right, since Lexus names its cars after what it thinks ratings will be for a gas only engine. So they are saying it will have the power of a 4.5 liter V-8.
The Audi 4.2 V-8 makes 340hp
The Nissan Fuga makes 335hp with their 4.5 V-8.

Sounds about right.

lexuslover

i would hope so!

if it does come preloaded with PCS and LCC, $63k is not too bad. but i am thinking they will build some without at around 60...

the 8500 hybrid premium i calc'd on the RX is for similarly equipped 330 vs. 400h, neither with PCS nor LCC. i don't think i can build one in my area that has those features. the recent article says the 450h will carry a very similar markup. but yes, you are right, if you have no choice but to get PCS and LCC, it will likely be >60. those extras aren't cheap!