Lexus HS 250h...revealed Jan. 11
11-27-08, 08:33 AM
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Well, the HS250h won't come to Europe. I read an interview that had been conducted with a Toyota Europe boss at the Paris Motor Show. He said that the car which will be introduced in Detroit, won't come to Europe, because it has "too high emissions for Europe". That probably means that it won't be any better than a diesel with similar performance.
There was a hint of a smaller Prius-based Lexus-hybrid which would come in 2010 and that car would be for Europe also. The HS250h isn't based on the Prius, it's a bigger vehicle.
There was a hint of a smaller Prius-based Lexus-hybrid which would come in 2010 and that car would be for Europe also. The HS250h isn't based on the Prius, it's a bigger vehicle.
11-27-08, 08:38 AM
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Well, the HS250h won't come to Europe. I read an interview that had been conducted with a Toyota Europe boss at the Paris Motor Show. He said that the car which will be introduced in Detroit, won't come to Europe, because it has "too high emissions for Europe". That probably means that it won't be any better than a diesel with similar performance.
There was a hint of a smaller Prius-based Lexus-hybrid which would come in 2010 and that car would be for Europe also. The HS250h isn't based on the Prius, it's a bigger vehicle.
There was a hint of a smaller Prius-based Lexus-hybrid which would come in 2010 and that car would be for Europe also. The HS250h isn't based on the Prius, it's a bigger vehicle.
There is no way a hybrid has high emissions for Europe b/c hybrids have the lowest emissions in Europe and the world!
I mean, Lexus sells the IS-F there, which has much higher emissions. Odd they don't sell the 350 there though.
11-27-08, 09:10 AM
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I found this short version of the interview:
http://www.autonews.com/article/2008...310029916/1130
A new, larger dedicated hybrid model planned by Toyota's luxury brand will not come to Europe.
Karl Schlicht, Lexus Europe's president, said the larger hybrid's CO2 emissions would be too high for European buyers.
Karl Schlicht, Lexus Europe's president, said the larger hybrid's CO2 emissions would be too high for European buyers.
http://www.autonews.com/article/2008...310029916/1130
11-27-08, 10:03 AM
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It looks pretty much confirmed that there are two Lexus hybrids coming in 2009-2010:
The "Prius-based" and the "larger dedicated hybrid model".
The only remaining question is which of those two is the HS250h?
I think it's the bigger one, but 1Sicklex seems to disagree, so we have to wait for Detroit to find out if the HS250h is based on the Prius or not.
The "Prius-based" and the "larger dedicated hybrid model".
The only remaining question is which of those two is the HS250h?
I think it's the bigger one, but 1Sicklex seems to disagree, so we have to wait for Detroit to find out if the HS250h is based on the Prius or not.
11-27-08, 10:09 AM
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Why not just do a hybrid version of the IS250? Thay way, all these questions about what it would look like, how it would be styled, and (maybe) what the pricing would be already answered. True, the RWD version wouldn't have much in the way of the FWD traction that the Prius and Civic Hybrid have, but if they can do a hybrid IS AWD and fit the drivetrain in (the AWD hardware, of course, is already there), the traction problem would be addressed as well.
11-27-08, 10:13 AM
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It looks pretty much confirmed that there are two Lexus hybrids coming in 2009-2010:
The "Prius-based" and the "larger dedicated hybrid model".
The only remaining question is which of those two is the HS250h?
I think it's the bigger one, but 1Sicklex seems to disagree, so we have to wait for Detroit to find out if the HS250h is based on the Prius or not.
The "Prius-based" and the "larger dedicated hybrid model".
The only remaining question is which of those two is the HS250h?
I think it's the bigger one, but 1Sicklex seems to disagree, so we have to wait for Detroit to find out if the HS250h is based on the Prius or not.
I am confused what "larger hybrid" is that article talking about?
Why not just do a hybrid version of the IS250? Thay way, all these questions about what it would look like, how it would be styled, and (maybe) what the pricing would be already answered. True, the RWD version wouldn't have much in the way of the FWD traction that the Prius and Civic Hybrid have, but if they can do a hybrid IS AWD and fit the drivetrain in (the AWD hardware, of course, is already there), the traction problem would be addressed as well.
The issue with the GS/LS is where to put the batteries. They are sandwiched behind the rear seats and trunk, which kills trunk room. Lexus has made adjustments for 2009. The IS has a smaller trunk which would get even smaller.
This HS will have the batteries along the floor, which will greatly increase cargo room and trunk space!
11-27-08, 10:21 AM
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The issue with the GS/LS is where to put the batteries. They are sandwiched behind the rear seats and trunk, which kills trunk room. Lexus has made adjustments for 2009. The IS has a smaller trunk which would get even smaller.
This HS will have the batteries along the floor, which will greatly increase cargo room and trunk space!
How about this? Just put the batteries in the IS250's rear seat and seal them off...make it a 2-seater. You and I both agree that rear seat in that car is just about worthless anyway.
(Just kidding, of course, but an interesting thought).
11-27-08, 10:26 AM
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Yes, I agree, there can be a space issue. Technology, of course, is allowing batteries to made more compact all the time, but perhaps not (yet) small enough to be grafted into some designs.
How about this? Just put the batteries in the IS250's rear seat and seal them off...make it a 2-seater. You and I both agree that rear seat in that car is just about worthless anyway.
(Just kidding, of course, but an interesting thought).
How about this? Just put the batteries in the IS250's rear seat and seal them off...make it a 2-seater. You and I both agree that rear seat in that car is just about worthless anyway.
(Just kidding, of course, but an interesting thought).
11-27-08, 02:55 PM
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I have heard of two different engine possibilities one was a Camry based 2.4 L and another was the new Prius based 1.6 L (not sure if 1.6 or what). IMHO the 2.4 is lot logical at all as that would mean only .1 L added by electric. I go more along with the Prius based power plant. Looking at the shape of the HS250h the front does not match with what I have seen for the Prius at all. I would just hope for two items 1) Prius like gas milage I got 48 MPG average owning it almost four years. 2) If anyone gets gifted to be able to add additional batteries ie: hymotion I was going to add hymotion or comparable to my Prius.
11-27-08, 09:40 PM
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I have heard of two different engine possibilities one was a Camry based 2.4 L and another was the new Prius based 1.6 L (not sure if 1.6 or what). IMHO the 2.4 is lot logical at all as that would mean only .1 L added by electric. I go more along with the Prius based power plant. Looking at the shape of the HS250h the front does not match with what I have seen for the Prius at all. I would just hope for two items 1) Prius like gas milage I got 48 MPG average owning it almost four years. 2) If anyone gets gifted to be able to add additional batteries ie: hymotion I was going to add hymotion or comparable to my Prius.
So my guess is the 2.5 litre engine.