Me thinks GX needs to go on a diet. Where did the extra 800lbs come from?
02-15-13, 07:07 AM
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Me thinks GX needs to go on a diet. Where did the extra 800lbs come from?
Where did the extra 800lbs come from?
So, I was comparing the highest end 4runner with the GX and am curious to know why the GX is 800lbs heavier. Since they are built on the same chassis and yes, I know the GX has 2 extra air bags, but where is this weight going to? In fact, the 4runner is slightly larger if anything. Me think, GX needs to go on a diet.
Height:
GX: 74.2 in
4Runner: 71.5 in
Length:
GX: 189.2 in
4Runner: 189.9 in
Wheelbase:
GX: 109.8 in
4Runner: 109.8 in
Width:
GX: 74.2 in
4Runner: 75.8 in
Weight:
GX: 5300 lbs.
4Runner: 4525 lbs.
800 lbs is a lot.
So, I was comparing the highest end 4runner with the GX and am curious to know why the GX is 800lbs heavier. Since they are built on the same chassis and yes, I know the GX has 2 extra air bags, but where is this weight going to? In fact, the 4runner is slightly larger if anything. Me think, GX needs to go on a diet.
Height:
GX: 74.2 in
4Runner: 71.5 in
Length:
GX: 189.2 in
4Runner: 189.9 in
Wheelbase:
GX: 109.8 in
4Runner: 109.8 in
Width:
GX: 74.2 in
4Runner: 75.8 in
Weight:
GX: 5300 lbs.
4Runner: 4525 lbs.
800 lbs is a lot.
02-15-13, 09:15 AM
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GX is not based on 4Runner, it is based on Land Cruiser Prado. Just look at 4Runner and then look at Prado (http://www.toyota.com.au/prado) and it becomes clear.
If you look at fully optioned Prado which sells in, say, Australia, the weights are pretty much the same http://www.toyota.com.au/prado/speci.../kakadu-petrol
If you look at fully optioned Prado which sells in, say, Australia, the weights are pretty much the same http://www.toyota.com.au/prado/speci.../kakadu-petrol
02-15-13, 04:03 PM
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The GX only weights 500 lbs. more than the 4Runner. The GX is based on the Prado and it has a V8 with a 6 speed trans and electric 3rd row seats. The 4Runner has a V6 and a 5 speed.
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02-15-13, 04:16 PM
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I believe a significant reason for the weight is due to the "Section 179" tax break, although the 4Runner did qualify for it as well. I'm sure there are several other reasons, but this tax break for businesses was large and certainly helped sell qualifying vehicles.
02-17-13, 10:20 AM
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Where did the extra 800lbs come from?
So, I was comparing the highest end 4runner with the GX and am curious to know why the GX is 800lbs heavier. Since they are built on the same chassis and yes, I know the GX has 2 extra air bags, but where is this weight going to? In fact, the 4runner is slightly larger if anything. Me think, GX needs to go on a diet.
Height:
GX: 74.2 in
4Runner: 71.5 in
Length:
GX: 189.2 in
4Runner: 189.9 in
Wheelbase:
GX: 109.8 in
4Runner: 109.8 in
Width:
GX: 74.2 in
4Runner: 75.8 in
Weight:
GX: 5300 lbs.
4Runner: 4525 lbs.
800 lbs is a lot.
So, I was comparing the highest end 4runner with the GX and am curious to know why the GX is 800lbs heavier. Since they are built on the same chassis and yes, I know the GX has 2 extra air bags, but where is this weight going to? In fact, the 4runner is slightly larger if anything. Me think, GX needs to go on a diet.
Height:
GX: 74.2 in
4Runner: 71.5 in
Length:
GX: 189.2 in
4Runner: 189.9 in
Wheelbase:
GX: 109.8 in
4Runner: 109.8 in
Width:
GX: 74.2 in
4Runner: 75.8 in
Weight:
GX: 5300 lbs.
4Runner: 4525 lbs.
800 lbs is a lot.
Not remove all these extra GX features and put them on a scale, and you will see they all add up to a lot of weight.
The GX even has an extra speaker, rainsense system, two extra rear seats. It just simply has more things to make it heavier.
02-18-13, 01:08 PM
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03-11-13, 10:46 AM
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If you read through the GX launch materials/commentary, its been stated the GX was beefed up to do better in crash testing. Specifically, the roof structure has more steel due to a history of roof failures in rollovers. The weight difference between the GX accessories vs standard equivalents is not significant. It's all in the structure and the engine (V6 vs V8).
The GX does share its frame with the 4 Runner but as others have mentioned, the Prado is a better direct comparison.
The GX does share its frame with the 4 Runner but as others have mentioned, the Prado is a better direct comparison.
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03-11-13, 02:02 PM
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^^Speaking of crash testing, the Prado did pretty well as noted in this thread:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...rash-test.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...rash-test.html
03-16-13, 01:10 AM
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I respectfully, but strongly disagree.The GX does not need to go on a diet. If anything it needs to GAIN more weight.
In fact the WEIGHT is one of the reasons I'm strongly considering a GX. I need the absolute SAFEST vehicle on the road. That is the whole reason I'm willing to make such a big sacrifice in gas mileage. Your life is not worth gambling with.
For me, personally, the GX is astonishingly fuel efficient when I take its weight into consideration. So from a SAFETY standpoint it provides the best weight / fuel economy ratio.
For all other things being equal (that is EQUALLY engineered vehicles with proper crumple zones etc.), the LAWS OF PHYSICS do not lie. In a crash the HEAVIER vehicle ALWAYS wins. No matter how safe and strong the body structure (The Smart for two is a prime example of this), the lighter vehicle will experience, and ultimately transmit to the occupants far larger g-forces. So if the collapse of the structure does not kill you or seriously maim you, the sudden stopping and final motion in the opposite direction will.
With more and more retarded morons with lack of proper driving skills driving around (rampant tailgating, switching lanes unexpectedly, etc. - things that , in places like Germany, they would cut your ***** off to keep you from contaminating the gene pool), these types of considerations take prime importance over everything else.
In fact the WEIGHT is one of the reasons I'm strongly considering a GX. I need the absolute SAFEST vehicle on the road. That is the whole reason I'm willing to make such a big sacrifice in gas mileage. Your life is not worth gambling with.
For me, personally, the GX is astonishingly fuel efficient when I take its weight into consideration. So from a SAFETY standpoint it provides the best weight / fuel economy ratio.
For all other things being equal (that is EQUALLY engineered vehicles with proper crumple zones etc.), the LAWS OF PHYSICS do not lie. In a crash the HEAVIER vehicle ALWAYS wins. No matter how safe and strong the body structure (The Smart for two is a prime example of this), the lighter vehicle will experience, and ultimately transmit to the occupants far larger g-forces. So if the collapse of the structure does not kill you or seriously maim you, the sudden stopping and final motion in the opposite direction will.
With more and more retarded morons with lack of proper driving skills driving around (rampant tailgating, switching lanes unexpectedly, etc. - things that , in places like Germany, they would cut your ***** off to keep you from contaminating the gene pool), these types of considerations take prime importance over everything else.
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03-16-13, 07:31 AM
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I respectfully, but strongly disagree.The GX does not need to go on a diet. If anything it needs to GAIN more weight.
In fact the WEIGHT is one of the reasons I'm strongly considering a GX. I need the absolute SAFEST vehicle on the road. That is the whole reason I'm willing to make such a big sacrifice in gas mileage. Your life is not worth gambling with.
For me, personally, the GX is astonishingly fuel efficient when I take its weight into consideration. So from a SAFETY standpoint it provides the best weight / fuel economy ratio.
For all other things being equal (that is EQUALLY engineered vehicles with proper crumple zones etc.), the LAWS OF PHYSICS do not lie. In a crash the HEAVIER vehicle ALWAYS wins. No matter how safe and strong the body structure (The Smart for two is a prime example of this), the lighter vehicle will experience, and ultimately transmit to the occupants far larger g-forces. So if the collapse of the structure does not kill you or seriously maim you, the sudden stopping and final motion in the opposite direction will.
With more and more retarded morons with lack of proper driving skills driving around (rampant tailgating, switching lanes unexpectedly, etc. - things that , in places like Germany, they would cut your ***** off to keep you from contaminating the gene pool), these types of considerations take prime importance over everything else.
In fact the WEIGHT is one of the reasons I'm strongly considering a GX. I need the absolute SAFEST vehicle on the road. That is the whole reason I'm willing to make such a big sacrifice in gas mileage. Your life is not worth gambling with.
For me, personally, the GX is astonishingly fuel efficient when I take its weight into consideration. So from a SAFETY standpoint it provides the best weight / fuel economy ratio.
For all other things being equal (that is EQUALLY engineered vehicles with proper crumple zones etc.), the LAWS OF PHYSICS do not lie. In a crash the HEAVIER vehicle ALWAYS wins. No matter how safe and strong the body structure (The Smart for two is a prime example of this), the lighter vehicle will experience, and ultimately transmit to the occupants far larger g-forces. So if the collapse of the structure does not kill you or seriously maim you, the sudden stopping and final motion in the opposite direction will.
With more and more retarded morons with lack of proper driving skills driving around (rampant tailgating, switching lanes unexpectedly, etc. - things that , in places like Germany, they would cut your ***** off to keep you from contaminating the gene pool), these types of considerations take prime importance over everything else.
Take for example, this happened to me...one time...I was on the freeway at night in my BMW M3, it was dark and at the very last minute I saw a chair on the road. I swerved at the last minute and I avoided the chair and I could catch my car very easily. If I was in the GX, I bet anything I would have lost control or headed down the side of the freeway. Why? Obviously, manueverability, agility, etc. I bet if I had an X5, it would have been fine.
03-17-13, 11:32 AM
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vicpai, I do agree with you in regards to crash tests and weight of the vehicle. There is no doubt about it. But, there is also the factor of crash avoidance and the fact that the GX460 is less manueverable than say a BMW x5, Cayenne, etc.
Take for example, this happened to me...one time...I was on the freeway at night in my BMW M3, it was dark and at the very last minute I saw a chair on the road. I swerved at the last minute and I avoided the chair and I could catch my car very easily. If I was in the GX, I bet anything I would have lost control or headed down the side of the freeway. Why? Obviously, manueverability, agility, etc. I bet if I had an X5, it would have been fine.
Take for example, this happened to me...one time...I was on the freeway at night in my BMW M3, it was dark and at the very last minute I saw a chair on the road. I swerved at the last minute and I avoided the chair and I could catch my car very easily. If I was in the GX, I bet anything I would have lost control or headed down the side of the freeway. Why? Obviously, manueverability, agility, etc. I bet if I had an X5, it would have been fine.
03-17-13, 12:01 PM
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My X5 turned on a dime. It also turned into the dealer's shop about every 3 months for some electrical/mechanical problem that BMW fixed by replacing things part by part. Got rid of it a month after the 4 year warranty expired.
03-19-13, 11:21 AM
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03-19-13, 11:24 AM
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^^Speaking of crash testing, the Prado did pretty well as noted in this thread:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...rash-test.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...rash-test.html
03-19-13, 11:29 AM
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