Mike450h

I am not a GX owner but a GS owner, a very happy one at that! I happen to think CR is completely full of crap! I also think all of the hubbub about Toyota over last several months, is nothing more than Government Motors picking on the number one car maker in the world in hopes of selling more cars. I can remember a few short years ago, Ford had some issues with their SUV's blowing tires and killing people, They did not testify in front of congress?

You GX owners should rally and file a class action lawsuit against CR! Now that they have single handedly rendered your vehicles worthless!

Just my thoughts!

Pearlpower

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Keep in mind that for a very long time Toyota and Toyota products have been placed very high and mostly at the top of CR recommendations. During this time every GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc owner thought CR was biased and had an agenda against them. Funny how perception works, huh?

encore888

Well for sure now people can't say CR is in bed with Toyota...maybe that was a factor too in the way they announced this. Can't say for sure though so it's just speculation. However I wouldn't be surprised if in light of all the recall fiascos that they are going over Lexus products with a fine-tooth comb.

Still, the exact nature of the test suggests it is a very specific issue that can only be reproduced under certain circumstances. No incidents have been reported which really stem from this, and with CR using the publicity to sell subscriptions, it could be their pronouncement is a bit hyperbolic (who knows, maybe like McRib, every decade or so they roll out one of these 'don't buy' warnings to drum up media attention--still just speculation though). Overall, I'd still feel comfortable driving a GX, albeit more carefully.

However, the fact remains that they were able to produce oversteer in their lift-off test. If this can be replicated by other parties, and is judged to be abnormal versus other comparable vehicles, it should be fixed. So far there's been difficulty doing the replication:

If it can't be replicated, then there is grounds for complaints against CR. Courts did find their Isuzu Trooper statements to be misleading.

vince22

IMO, this is no "BS", actually I'm glad CR did it publicly for safety reasons, No more hiding/coverup etc....retesting all toyota/lexus SUV's would be a great idea, my whole family owns 3 GX470, 1 IS350, 2 highlanders, camry's. In fact they already found a fix....

http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-t...-concerns.html

captain1

that's because Toyota is a foreign brand. we don't like to see foreigners become successful. we want to embarrass Mr. Toyota in front of congress and show that on TV to everyone. now we took Toyota down, Honda will be the next one on the list.

all jokes aside.... do people really believe GM / Dodge / Ford is safer than Toyota? Consider the number of cars Toyota sold, the problem only affects a very small fraction of the consumers. Yes, the problems should still be fixed, but why make such a huge deal of of this?

Mike450h

Take any SUV, drive it at 55 mph in a strait line on dry pavement, than suddenly turn right. What do you think is going to happen? Watching that CR video is a complete joke that proves nothing. Toyota indeed did the smart thing, they clearly do not need anymore bad press. If they have a ''fix'' LOL I'm sure its nothing more than a placebo. But everyone will feel better.

akfd

Let's hope that after the "fix" we won't complain that Toyota/Lexus has taken out all the fun out of the GX!

Timothyj

CR wants to sell more magazines. I want to see a test on the Smart car and side impact on motorcycles.

Tim

TLDriver

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I wonder what would happen if you got a Tahoe and did the same test? I am sure similar results would happen.

What throws me off is the whole it's pretty much a 4runner and the 4 runner didn't have issues passing CR's test. I understand that the GX is a little higher then the 4 runner but they must give very similar out come on both. I don't know I would be happy if CR gets awake up call by Lexus/Toyota saying "Even though we were able to pass our tight safety test, we have also exceeded your ridicules test."

gsobol

Guys, CR has answered THAT question. Just read what they say. In most cars/SUVs tested (I'm assuming that includes Tahoe) the front wheels were the first to lose traction, which caused the car to continue straight forward, ESC (or VSC for some) would react by applying the brakes and bring the car under control. That was the expected behavior for GX460 as well, what they've got was unexpected (as seen in video) swing of the rear and delayed ESC response. Why is this so difficult to understand

lonewolf69

Mike are CR's test results only BS when the outcome of the tests are negative? What about all of the other years when the test results were EXTREMELY favorable to Toyota/Lexus??!??

Mike450h

NO! What I think is BS, is CR putting a NO BUY label on the GX based on a test that is complete BS. If they want to put a NO BUY label on the GX based on that test, than they should put a no buy label on ALL SUV's. as all perform very close to how the GX performed.

Again I would reference the Ford Explorer problems in 2002 tire problem that caused the SUV to roll over and caused some 271 deaths. Ford never received a NO BUY from CR? and it was discovered that the problem was related to tire pressure....low tire pressure made it roll over under certain conditions. To date I have yet to hear of a single death in a GX? or even a roll over? That my friend is why I call BS!!!

A NO BUY label is a death sentence from CR for any vehicle.

AlexusAnja

I think what most forget is that this test is done for ALL SUV, not just Lexus and the new GX is one (or one of few) that actually does the sliding. Don't look at this as just CR testing the GX for this, this is done for all vehicles.

I never gave any magazine that takes a "snap shot" of a vehicles life and predicts anything from this over the real-life use of that vehicle. Same holds true for JD Powers surveys, whether they are good or bad for Lexus.

I think Toyota knows there is an issue, they are addressing it, will correct it with a ECU change, and then that's it. CR will retest the vehicles, or possibly the 2011 model, hopefully it then passes and GX is back on "recommended" list.

Mike450h

Why I think you GX owners should be concerned is that, with a NO BUY label even for a short time, the resale or even trade in value will greatly diminish, even if you trade it back to Lexus, as there will be a lot less consumers looking to purchase the car strictly based on CR's one time NO BUY BS TEST! you really think there will be a 2011 GX? LOL

dbacf

Toyota would not have halted the sale/manufacture of this car unless they thought this was a major problem... As I have posted before I hope this problem can be easily fixed..