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Yeah wasn't sure after what Ali SC3 said about stock being better. But with $190k miles? At least the rebuilt one has a warranty on it.
03-29-15, 01:31 AM
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I definitely said contacts not the brushes. just go to your dealer and ask for the starter contact replacement kit its like $15-30 depending on the model. its just 2 copper pieces that bolt to the inside sides of the starter.
toyota starters do not go bad technically speaking. what happens to them is there is a relay side of the starter, which turns the starter on. this relay side consists of a plunger, and 2 starter contacts, one is connected to 12V, one to ground. when you turn your key, the plunger shoots towards the 2 contacts. when the plunger touches the 2 contacts, a path forms between 12V and ground, and this turns passes 12V to the actual starter side of the starter (with brushes etc.. the part that does not go bad).
what happens is after like a thousand times of starting your car, the much harder plunger wears away at the copper contacts, and eventually the copper pieces get so thin that when the plunger shoots out it does not touch the 2 consistently anymore, and you get the infamous "click" and no actual starting of your engine. the click is the sound of the plunger bottoming out before it touched the contacts. normally it hits the contacts and is stopped against them.
the starter is not bad at all though is the point. the "relay is bad".
you can pay $100 for a "remanufacured" starter, but you would be wrong to assume that the starter was bad in the first place.
99% of the time replacing the copper contacts with newer thicker ones, restores 100% operation of the starter.
It does it so much that toyota/lexus offers the starter contact kit for most models.
I am not going to link it I don't have the part number for this engine, but the 4.7L v8 comes in like every other toyota please just do a google search of toyota 4.7l contacts or just go to your dealer and ask for the kit and have your mechanic put it in.
I rather put the original working part that did 190k without a sweat back in, but that is just me. I don't need a warranty cause I know it will work just fine for another 190k before the contacts have to be replaced again, and this is a normal maintenance item its going to happen to any kind of starter.
toyota starters do not go bad technically speaking. what happens to them is there is a relay side of the starter, which turns the starter on. this relay side consists of a plunger, and 2 starter contacts, one is connected to 12V, one to ground. when you turn your key, the plunger shoots towards the 2 contacts. when the plunger touches the 2 contacts, a path forms between 12V and ground, and this turns passes 12V to the actual starter side of the starter (with brushes etc.. the part that does not go bad).
what happens is after like a thousand times of starting your car, the much harder plunger wears away at the copper contacts, and eventually the copper pieces get so thin that when the plunger shoots out it does not touch the 2 consistently anymore, and you get the infamous "click" and no actual starting of your engine. the click is the sound of the plunger bottoming out before it touched the contacts. normally it hits the contacts and is stopped against them.
the starter is not bad at all though is the point. the "relay is bad".
you can pay $100 for a "remanufacured" starter, but you would be wrong to assume that the starter was bad in the first place.
99% of the time replacing the copper contacts with newer thicker ones, restores 100% operation of the starter.
It does it so much that toyota/lexus offers the starter contact kit for most models.
I am not going to link it I don't have the part number for this engine, but the 4.7L v8 comes in like every other toyota please just do a google search of toyota 4.7l contacts or just go to your dealer and ask for the kit and have your mechanic put it in.
I rather put the original working part that did 190k without a sweat back in, but that is just me. I don't need a warranty cause I know it will work just fine for another 190k before the contacts have to be replaced again, and this is a normal maintenance item its going to happen to any kind of starter.
03-29-15, 09:33 AM
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I definitely said contacts not the brushes. just go to your dealer and ask for the starter contact replacement kit its like $15-30 depending on the model. its just 2 copper pieces that bolt to the inside sides of the starter.
toyota starters do not go bad technically speaking. what happens to them is there is a relay side of the starter, which turns the starter on. this relay side consists of a plunger, and 2 starter contacts, one is connected to 12V, one to ground. when you turn your key, the plunger shoots towards the 2 contacts. when the plunger touches the 2 contacts, a path forms between 12V and ground, and this turns passes 12V to the actual starter side of the starter (with brushes etc.. the part that does not go bad).
what happens is after like a thousand times of starting your car, the much harder plunger wears away at the copper contacts, and eventually the copper pieces get so thin that when the plunger shoots out it does not touch the 2 consistently anymore, and you get the infamous "click" and no actual starting of your engine. the click is the sound of the plunger bottoming out before it touched the contacts. normally it hits the contacts and is stopped against them.
the starter is not bad at all though is the point. the "relay is bad".
you can pay $100 for a "remanufacured" starter, but you would be wrong to assume that the starter was bad in the first place.
99% of the time replacing the copper contacts with newer thicker ones, restores 100% operation of the starter.
It does it so much that toyota/lexus offers the starter contact kit for most models.
I am not going to link it I don't have the part number for this engine, but the 4.7L v8 comes in like every other toyota please just do a google search of toyota 4.7l contacts or just go to your dealer and ask for the kit and have your mechanic put it in.
I rather put the original working part that did 190k without a sweat back in, but that is just me. I don't need a warranty cause I know it will work just fine for another 190k before the contacts have to be replaced again, and this is a normal maintenance item its going to happen to any kind of starter.
toyota starters do not go bad technically speaking. what happens to them is there is a relay side of the starter, which turns the starter on. this relay side consists of a plunger, and 2 starter contacts, one is connected to 12V, one to ground. when you turn your key, the plunger shoots towards the 2 contacts. when the plunger touches the 2 contacts, a path forms between 12V and ground, and this turns passes 12V to the actual starter side of the starter (with brushes etc.. the part that does not go bad).
what happens is after like a thousand times of starting your car, the much harder plunger wears away at the copper contacts, and eventually the copper pieces get so thin that when the plunger shoots out it does not touch the 2 consistently anymore, and you get the infamous "click" and no actual starting of your engine. the click is the sound of the plunger bottoming out before it touched the contacts. normally it hits the contacts and is stopped against them.
the starter is not bad at all though is the point. the "relay is bad".
you can pay $100 for a "remanufacured" starter, but you would be wrong to assume that the starter was bad in the first place.
99% of the time replacing the copper contacts with newer thicker ones, restores 100% operation of the starter.
It does it so much that toyota/lexus offers the starter contact kit for most models.
I am not going to link it I don't have the part number for this engine, but the 4.7L v8 comes in like every other toyota please just do a google search of toyota 4.7l contacts or just go to your dealer and ask for the kit and have your mechanic put it in.
I rather put the original working part that did 190k without a sweat back in, but that is just me. I don't need a warranty cause I know it will work just fine for another 190k before the contacts have to be replaced again, and this is a normal maintenance item its going to happen to any kind of starter.
03-30-15, 09:22 AM
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Went into the Toyota dealer and they told me they don't have starter contacts for specific vehicles, that I would have to bring the old ones in to match them up.
Huh??
They also said that the 4.7L V8 doesn't have upper manifold gaskets, but Auto Zone says they do.
Huh??
They also said that the 4.7L V8 doesn't have upper manifold gaskets, but Auto Zone says they do.
03-30-15, 11:51 AM
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some starters you cannot replace the contacts like some of the front wheel drive 1mz motors I want to say that you are probably better off replacing the whole unit, but when I did a search on ours there where threads talking about just replacing the contacts. you will know once you get the starter out if its sealed unit or not.
03-30-15, 12:07 PM
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sometimes they want to do it that way and its not a bad idea cause when they have the old ones they make sure you get the new ones you need without any guessing. Just remove the starter and contacts and take them there, they usually have them in stock.
some starters you cannot replace the contacts like some of the front wheel drive 1mz motors I want to say that you are probably better off replacing the whole unit, but when I did a search on ours there where threads talking about just replacing the contacts. you will know once you get the starter out if its sealed unit or not.
some starters you cannot replace the contacts like some of the front wheel drive 1mz motors I want to say that you are probably better off replacing the whole unit, but when I did a search on ours there where threads talking about just replacing the contacts. you will know once you get the starter out if its sealed unit or not.
Going to go with the Denso. Thanks for all the feedback.