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02-13-11, 07:14 AM
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Towing, Suspension, Misc..
Hello - I own a 2004 GX470 and like most others, have been having issues with the ride height and comfort. I have read most threads about those issues so I thought I would combine my questions into single thread centered on my objectives to tow. Any insight would be appreciated.
1) The rear of my truck has been jacked up for about a month now and I'm assuming it's the "ride height sensors" but before I replace those, I am trying to decide as to whether or not its even worthwhile if I need to use this to tow. The manual states that those with ride height control should not tow.
With that said, I was thinking of doing a medium duty Old Man Emu suspension and possibly adding suspension air bags into the rear springs and just filling up manually when I tow. I did the identical suspension conversion on my '97 4Runner and it works great. I still need to research what my options are here and I will update the forum as I learn more.
2) Is it worthwhile to or is there even an option to add a transmission cooler to help extend the life of the tranny on these?
3) There have been a few great write-ups on installing the avail tow packages but any comments/suggestions here are welcome. Any particular brake controller systems suggested or used by anyone?
Thanks!
1) The rear of my truck has been jacked up for about a month now and I'm assuming it's the "ride height sensors" but before I replace those, I am trying to decide as to whether or not its even worthwhile if I need to use this to tow. The manual states that those with ride height control should not tow.
With that said, I was thinking of doing a medium duty Old Man Emu suspension and possibly adding suspension air bags into the rear springs and just filling up manually when I tow. I did the identical suspension conversion on my '97 4Runner and it works great. I still need to research what my options are here and I will update the forum as I learn more.
2) Is it worthwhile to or is there even an option to add a transmission cooler to help extend the life of the tranny on these?
3) There have been a few great write-ups on installing the avail tow packages but any comments/suggestions here are welcome. Any particular brake controller systems suggested or used by anyone?
Thanks!
02-13-11, 08:48 AM
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1) The rear of my truck has been jacked up for about a month now and I'm assuming it's the "ride height sensors" but before I replace those, I am trying to decide as to whether or not its even worthwhile if I need to use this to tow. The manual states that those with ride height control should not tow.
Mine certainly has both.
02-13-11, 09:05 AM
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I would just replace the ride height controllers. Get the lexus brake controller pigtail, wire up your controller and head down the road. Btw the suspension is very worthwhile for towing because it will auto level. What you read in the manual was probably about adjusting the height. Which only works at slow speeds.
02-13-11, 09:20 AM
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Rainmn - My bad - I just checked the manual and its states that "Lexus does not recommend towing a trailer with KDSS" For some reason I was thinking the ride height control came with KDSS. In my manual, it is page 386.
02-14-11, 11:59 AM
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I have KDSS... My truck also came with the receiver hitch already on it.
I towed ONCE and will not do it again. I actually asked someone with a pickup to tow the trailer back because I almost lost it going around a corner.
The KDSS is unstable when it has an outside force pushing the rear back and forth.
You too will do it only once so why bother wasting your money. I sure wish I knew that before I bought my GX with KDSS.
I towed ONCE and will not do it again. I actually asked someone with a pickup to tow the trailer back because I almost lost it going around a corner.
The KDSS is unstable when it has an outside force pushing the rear back and forth.
You too will do it only once so why bother wasting your money. I sure wish I knew that before I bought my GX with KDSS.
02-14-11, 01:34 PM
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I have KDSS... My truck also came with the receiver hitch already on it.
I towed ONCE and will not do it again. I actually asked someone with a pickup to tow the trailer back because I almost lost it going around a corner.
The KDSS is unstable when it has an outside force pushing the rear back and forth.
You too will do it only once so why bother wasting your money. I sure wish I knew that before I bought my GX with KDSS.
I towed ONCE and will not do it again. I actually asked someone with a pickup to tow the trailer back because I almost lost it going around a corner.
The KDSS is unstable when it has an outside force pushing the rear back and forth.
You too will do it only once so why bother wasting your money. I sure wish I knew that before I bought my GX with KDSS.
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Huh, then beggs the question. Is KDSS an internet phenomenon? What I mean is, the "positive" aspect of it just a bunch of us types talking about it? I'll tell you this much, if I had something on my SUV with a V8 that prevented me from towing I'd be disgruntled and selling it. What's the point?
Or are we talking about really heavy towing? With the OE hitch, the limit is 7,500 no? So the new 4runner and new GX460 has KDSS as an option, so no towing? Something seems awry. If this is the case, you would have to imagine maybe a feature that disables KDSS when a trailer harness is plugged in. IDK, sounds goofy.
Or are we talking about really heavy towing? With the OE hitch, the limit is 7,500 no? So the new 4runner and new GX460 has KDSS as an option, so no towing? Something seems awry. If this is the case, you would have to imagine maybe a feature that disables KDSS when a trailer harness is plugged in. IDK, sounds goofy.
02-15-11, 07:33 AM
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I have KDSS... My truck also came with the receiver hitch already on it.
I towed ONCE and will not do it again. I actually asked someone with a pickup to tow the trailer back because I almost lost it going around a corner.
The KDSS is unstable when it has an outside force pushing the rear back and forth.
You too will do it only once so why bother wasting your money. I sure wish I knew that before I bought my GX with KDSS.
I towed ONCE and will not do it again. I actually asked someone with a pickup to tow the trailer back because I almost lost it going around a corner.
The KDSS is unstable when it has an outside force pushing the rear back and forth.
You too will do it only once so why bother wasting your money. I sure wish I knew that before I bought my GX with KDSS.
02-15-11, 07:57 AM
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I highly recommend keeping your OEM auto leveling system. This system is very elaborate (with built-in air dryer system) and works very well for towing. It would cost approx $5K to install an equivalent aftermarket system. Whatever the cost of the sensor, it does not make sense to install a whole new system that will not be anywhere near the quality of the OEM.
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02-15-11, 08:34 AM
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I know I have a 460 but there is NO mention in the owner's manual of not being able to tow with KDSS. That doesn't even make sense! I also spoke with Lexus and they agree.
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02-15-11, 09:38 AM
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Yea I agree taking a risk replacing the whole suspension? you may be in for much more than you bargined for----check sewell Lexus, they usually have a nice discount on parts for us members.
02-15-11, 09:54 AM
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I highly recommend keeping your OEM auto leveling system. This system is very elaborate (with built-in air dryer system) and works very well for towing. It would cost approx $5K to install an equivalent aftermarket system. Whatever the cost of the sensor, it does not make sense to install a whole new system that will not be anywhere near the quality of the OEM.
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The rear suspension of the GX is, IMO, over engineered junk. The ride height sensors are prone to failure (both of mine have been replaced), and even then, nobody seems to understand why the trucks still seem to have random ride quality issues.
If and when I need to replace the rear shocks or the height sensors (again), I will be going to standard springs & shocks.
As for the system working very well for towing....that's exactly when mine last broke....while hooking up my boat.
02-15-11, 10:27 AM
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Huh, then beggs the question. Is KDSS an internet phenomenon? What I mean is, the "positive" aspect of it just a bunch of us types talking about it? I'll tell you this much, if I had something on my SUV with a V8 that prevented me from towing I'd be disgruntled and selling it. What's the point?
Or are we talking about really heavy towing? With the OE hitch, the limit is 7,500 no? So the new 4runner and new GX460 has KDSS as an option, so no towing? Something seems awry. If this is the case, you would have to imagine maybe a feature that disables KDSS when a trailer harness is plugged in. IDK, sounds goofy.
Or are we talking about really heavy towing? With the OE hitch, the limit is 7,500 no? So the new 4runner and new GX460 has KDSS as an option, so no towing? Something seems awry. If this is the case, you would have to imagine maybe a feature that disables KDSS when a trailer harness is plugged in. IDK, sounds goofy.
