GS450h or GS460 which one to get?
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For those of you voting 460.. Have you had REAL time with a GSh or are you just voting being close minded? I've owned GS300, GS400, GS430 and I now own a GS450h.. When I was given the opportunity to get into another vehicle I cringed at the fact that they did not have anymore GSh's they would have had to practically GIVE me the GS460 they had and I didn't want it.. Great car but once you go performance hybrid you don't go back. The GSh IS FASTER throughout the entire powerband from zero to speed limiter. Comes fully loaded just as the GS460 and I get 27-30mpg which I'm sure the V8 can't touch.
GSh: Faster, Quieter, Better on gas.. Get in one and drive it...
GSh: Faster, Quieter, Better on gas.. Get in one and drive it...
I don't care how well the married between the hybrid system and the 3.5L in the 450h, it will never beat the naturally aspirated power of V8. Sure you might be quicker but how many of you will feel that thousand of a second difference?
I'm average about 24 with 70% city and 30% highway,
If I wanted MPG, I would have buy a Prius, it is the same reason I think hybrid performance cars are a joke.
Maybe i'm old school but that's just me. You can't replicate a sound of a V8
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Owned a 2010 GS350 and the V6 didn't cut it for me, but I loved the styling and everything about the 3GS. Went to test drive a GS450h and as a Prius owner, the Hybrid system was definitely performance tuned! However, just didn't have that feel I was looking for. Fortunately a 460 popped up in my area and I went just to test drive and see how it felt.. Well, my decision was made up right then and there.. The V8 is everything and more than what I could ask for. And averaged 25 MPG on the way home driving 80..
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For those of you voting 460.. Have you had REAL time with a GSh or are you just voting being close minded? I've owned GS300, GS400, GS430 and I now own a GS450h.. When I was given the opportunity to get into another vehicle I cringed at the fact that they did not have anymore GSh's they would have had to practically GIVE me the GS460 they had and I didn't want it.. Great car but once you go performance hybrid you don't go back. The GSh IS FASTER throughout the entire powerband from zero to speed limiter. Comes fully loaded just as the GS460 and I get 27-30mpg which I'm sure the V8 can't touch.
GSh: Faster, Quieter, Better on gas.. Get in one and drive it...
GSh: Faster, Quieter, Better on gas.. Get in one and drive it...
#20
I just stay away from the h for fear of the damn battery going out and costing me a ridiculous amount of money to replace. My personal preference is a gas motor which I'm perfectly capable of working on.
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For those of you voting 460.. Have you had REAL time with a GSh or are you just voting being close minded? I've owned GS300, GS400, GS430 and I now own a GS450h.. When I was given the opportunity to get into another vehicle I cringed at the fact that they did not have anymore GSh's they would have had to practically GIVE me the GS460 they had and I didn't want it.. Great car but once you go performance hybrid you don't go back. The GSh IS FASTER throughout the entire powerband from zero to speed limiter. Comes fully loaded just as the GS460 and I get 27-30mpg which I'm sure the V8 can't touch.
GSh: Faster, Quieter, Better on gas.. Get in one and drive it...
GSh: Faster, Quieter, Better on gas.. Get in one and drive it...
h vs 460, I think the h outperforms the 460 a bit last I checked. Even the dealership has told me the same thing. Then again you can't trust the dealership when they don't own and track the car.
People say the 460's faster, I'm sure it is HP-wise, but there's the fact of CVT+the TQ ratings of the hybrid that come into factor.
If someone could finally verify this and put peace of mind through my head, I'd love to see a video of a 450h vs. a 460. To put this debate to rest .
I've driven the GSh quite a bit, and driven them "quickly." I've driven a couple of 460s, and they feel much quicker and more alive.
The CVT is a huge turn-off for me. The fake upshift just doesn't do it for me. And the acceleration is just not enough to make it worth it. To me, the 460 jumps up and goes and feels powerful throughout the powerband. The 450h does its weird CVT party trick and leaves you waiting for the fun part to happen.
The CVT is a huge turn-off for me. The fake upshift just doesn't do it for me. And the acceleration is just not enough to make it worth it. To me, the 460 jumps up and goes and feels powerful throughout the powerband. The 450h does its weird CVT party trick and leaves you waiting for the fun part to happen.
FWIW I drove an 07 450h, and while people say it's great on gas, I didn't find it to go past the .1-.2 mi in stop and go before engine reengaged. This same 450h has been in service for almost $15k in repairs, all in Lexus' hands.... I believe some system for the hybrid that helps it regenerate power had to be replaced, which was 10k all in itself, and a battery bank was replaced for $5kish.... Luckily this was all under warranty and he recommends against a hybrid to me, from his ownership.
Other 450h owners can chime in against me, but from my perspective, it's just not worth the headache , OP DID say he wanted the car to last a long while.
Owned a 2010 GS350 and the V6 didn't cut it for me, but I loved the styling and everything about the 3GS. Went to test drive a GS450h and as a Prius owner, the Hybrid system was definitely performance tuned! However, just didn't have that feel I was looking for. Fortunately a 460 popped up in my area and I went just to test drive and see how it felt.. Well, my decision was made up right then and there.. The V8 is everything and more than what I could ask for. And averaged 25 MPG on the way home driving 80..
If the H system was really really bulletproof, parts were cheap as hell, I'd be all for it! Just for now, battery technology, and hybrid technology only allows us to pay a premium to get by on parts.
Agreed, LOL! the H battery for the GS is 15 years or 150k last I checked though, isn't it?
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FWIW I drove an 07 450h, and while people say it's great on gas, I didn't find it to go past the .1-.2 mi in stop and go before engine reengaged. This same 450h has been in service for almost $15k in repairs, all in Lexus' hands.... I believe some system for the hybrid that helps it regenerate power had to be replaced, which was 10k all in itself, and a battery bank was replaced for $5kish.... Luckily this was all under warranty and he recommends against a hybrid to me, from his ownership.
#23
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We don't have to drive very much at all so I don't really care about fuel economy and would get the V8 any day. There are just too many extra doodads on hybrids to *eventually* break... they have all the same complexity as a regular combustion car + tons of extra **** so there is no way in the long term for them to be as reliable.
Remember that hybrids do pretty much nothing for fuel economy when cruising. In my case since it's mostly short city type trips it would probably be much much better than the V8 in fuel economy but overall I think it would end up costing more to own in the end.
Remember that hybrids do pretty much nothing for fuel economy when cruising. In my case since it's mostly short city type trips it would probably be much much better than the V8 in fuel economy but overall I think it would end up costing more to own in the end.
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We don't have to drive very much at all so I don't really care about fuel economy and would get the V8 any day. There are just too many extra doodads on hybrids to *eventually* break... they have all the same complexity as a regular combustion car + tons of extra **** so there is no way in the long term for them to be as reliable.
Remember that hybrids do pretty much nothing for fuel economy when cruising.
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450h vs GS460
I recently had a 2013 450h loaner and my 2008 GS460 is way my powerful and responsive. If the 450h is quicker, someone would have to prove it to me. I would be willing to line up against any 450h. I do not have any mods and I believe my car would out perform all of them.
460 hands down. As far as MPG, I drive from ATL to CLT about 4 times a year to visit my mom and I average 29-31 miles going 75-90mph.
460 hands down. As far as MPG, I drive from ATL to CLT about 4 times a year to visit my mom and I average 29-31 miles going 75-90mph.
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If you're going to think like that, a base Corolla has less extra **** than any Lexus vehicle. Does that mean there is no way a Lexus will be as reliable as a Corolla in the long term?
Can you get 30-33mpg cruising on your 350 like I can, even though my 450h is significantly heavier? I guess being hybrid has nothing to do with it If I recall, in one earlier post by you, you were complaining about how you can't wait until these dino oil cars go extinct and replaced with all electric parts vehicles (think: https://www.clublexus.com/forums/8160923-post9.html)
Can you get 30-33mpg cruising on your 350 like I can, even though my 450h is significantly heavier? I guess being hybrid has nothing to do with it If I recall, in one earlier post by you, you were complaining about how you can't wait until these dino oil cars go extinct and replaced with all electric parts vehicles (think: https://www.clublexus.com/forums/8160923-post9.html)
A hybrid can only save fuel for as long as the charge in the battery lasts, are you saying that you can cruise down a highway indefinitely and the battery can somehow magically provide infinite amounts of power from the ether? Once the battery is out of extra juice, if you're not doing anything to passively regenerate the battery it is using gasoline for everything.
And yes, I can't wait for internal combustion cars to go away. If I was asked if I would rather have a Hybrid, a V8 internal combustion or an electric GS I would take the electric. There is a big difference between an electric vehicle and a hybrid... the hybrid has all of the problems of an internal combustion drivetrain + all the problems of an electric drivetrain... it would be statistically impossible for it to be as reliable as an all electric or all combusion car, it has twice the amount of things to go wrong. I don't even know how you can fail to see this.
What is more likely to go for a longer period with fewer things breaking... a mechanical watch, an electric watch, or a mechanical watch which can wind itself with a battery? I think most people would say the one that includes both the mechanical and electrical watch components has more points of failure.
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GS460 all the way. I absolutely love mine. Nothing more satisfying than blowing a WRX away while getting my rearend cooled and listening to jazz through the ML surround sound.
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Hmmm ...
2008 GS 460, not a 450h. This pic is from our trip from Edmonton to Calgary this past Sunday. Nasty, nasty, nasty conditions. Accidents everywhere, trucks and trailers in the ditch, time for what you might call "hyper-vigilance". White-out and solid ice from Wetaskawin to Airdrie, and an awful East wind plus endless blowing snow. Studded Hakkepelittas made all the difference in the world, even with RWD only and an open differential. How was the GS460 in these conditions? Fabulous. Best RWD I've ever owned. Cheers to all / LexLeezard
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2013 GSh is 4th gen GS and uses a different hybrid system, specifically for better fuel economy. Therefore performance is worst than 3GSh. You need to compare a 2007-2012 GSh to your 08 GS460 in order to see the difference.