KevGS460ML

On the contrary. In straight number, it has a few horses less, but it also weighs quite a bit less, so it's a quicker vehicle and is more efficient. So, in weight to HP ratio, it's an up super-tuned version of the LS460.

*Batman*

Yes in fact after the LFA and the ISF, the GS460 is the highest performance Lexus.

Some claim GS450h is faster, but C&D tests have shown them to be same 0-60, and the GS460 is faster 60-130, and most importantly the GS460 can manage 0.9G on the skidpad with stock tires vs 0.82G for the hybrid (battery weight hurts cornering). For those who don't know 0.9G is amazing lateral grip for a V8 sports sedan. Only V8 sedan that beats that is the PanameraS.

MelYW

yep different car with Michelen Pilots...or non runflats...

When I had the Dunlop runflats the ride was harsh...w new tires it rides like a completey different car.

SC4Hundred

I totally agreed.

rominl

iTrader: (4)

lol i didn't say the gs460 is slower than the ls460 (that would be sad when gs is supposed to be the sportier version). but it still doesn't changed the fact that the engine in the gs460 is detuned from that in the ls460. didn't happen in the 2gs case

*Batman*

Yes this is a sad blemish Lexus made to their engineering reputation. No car manufacturer should allow their marketing team to intentionally detune an engine. It's ridiculous, and it cost them a lot of market share.

If I was Mr Toyoda, I would find the man/woman who made that decision, drag them over the coals, publicly humiliate him/her, which in Japan would likely end with the suicide of that individual.

KevGS460ML

I never said that you did, nor did I even think it sir.

LexFather

Welcome and good luck.

According to Lexus it is the 450h.
The 450h was the fastest production Lexus until the IS F and now LFA. They even state it in brochures.

Not going to get into a pissing match over it but that is how Lexus feels.

Actually the battery can help cornering, it all depends on how you drive. The 911 is a heavy rear engine car and arguably the best handling car.. All 450h's tested seemed to have crappy runflats.

I've driven them at the track. Both are soft and the most noticeable difference was the transmission. Speed was pretty identical to me. To be honest its still puzzling that Lexus sold two very evenly matched cars at around the same price. Really confusing.

KevGS460ML

That sounds like an excuse to me. Run flats are horrible in ride comfort because they have stiff side walls, and that what makes them excellent in corners. That, and saving weight in the trunk is the reason why BMW use them in all of their cars.

If you want to know which car is faster, take the 450H, and 460 to the track. Your battery won't even last a lap, and after that it's just DEAD WEIGHT. But, I don't want to get into a "pissing" match with you either.

rominl

iTrader: (4)

i still have a feeling it's marketing, that they don't want to de-value the 450h, which seems to be their focus

Bushwack

FWIW, overall I like my 2007 GS350 but I have repeated nuisance issues with the car. Three times I had to have the drivers side mirror mechanism replaced (it wouldn't hold its position). The HVAC unit would allow fresh air in the cabin when it isn't suppose to (had to take the car back to the dealer within an 18 month span for repair).

As for the NAV system, it's annoying that in a city the size of Los Angeles, often the system can't find an address (for a building that's existed for 25+ years). Would sometimes have to 'fool' the nav system inputting different numerical address just so the system would recognize the street name.

All in all, the mechanics of the car are fine. But there are nagging electrical issues that shouldn't exist on a 3 1/2 year old car with 25K miles.

jre002

Surprised nobody mentioned this, but I would advise you to wait a few months if you are going to buy a GS. Supposedly, the next generation will be coming out this year so why buy a 2011 when the new style 2012 is right around the corner?

daudi81

That's exactly why I haven't replaced my 06 GS430. I almost went and got a 2011 460, but the sales guy (who is a good friend of mine), just told me to wait a season or two and get the next gen one. So that's what I did =)

Riceater

I have never driven a 5series BMW, actually I've ridden in one but it was more of a basic 5series and very slow; however, I have driven a 4door 335i and a 2 door. Both of which I wasn't very impressed with for the money. All of the buttons are in weird places. The dash just seems kind of cheap comparatively to a Lexus/MB. The one I drove with Nav just didn't seem as easy to navigate through the menus as the GS is. Only BMWs I've ever thought I'd probably be happy with are the M6 and the new M3. Over the past few years I've gotten the opportunity to drive a few of the newer Lexus models (IS350/250, GS350, RX350 and an older RX330). One thing I love about Lexus over BMW is the gauge clusters. BMWs gauge clusters have been the same boring black and white for YEARS.. Lexus has very cool looking gauges and menus. So if I'm being picky.. the gauges on a BMW suck. lol.

I wish I was out of school and had more money so I could afford the new GS model lol. I'll be stuck with buying used for a while

MelYW

I know that it is personal taste, but i have yet to see a car in the GS price range that has the stainless steel aviator gauge look to its instrunment panel.

MB, BMW, Audi all are bleh compared to the GS.

Often overlooked as 95% of the time you are in your car you are staring at the gauges and windshield!