GS-F will arrive late 2011 as 2012 model (~500 HP)
01-03-10, 07:18 AM
#17
End of 2011 release, if true, could be 4GS. In which case it would represent new Lexus design philosophy, departing from the current GS and IS which are of the L-finesse family.
01-03-10, 04:32 PM
#19
It is obvious you still haven't read or taken anytime to understand why the LFA engine is special. Until you have done so, it makes no sense to continue to argue with you (not even sure why I am responding).
4.8 liters and 552hp. Do the math.
Titanium usage
Small as a V-6
The sound of an angry god
low center of gravity
hand built
9000 RPM
4.8 liters and 552hp. Do the math.
Titanium usage
Small as a V-6
The sound of an angry god
low center of gravity
hand built
9000 RPM
Its interesting where the latest technology is headed in the horsepower war. Infiniti is sticking with normally aspirated engines and adding liters, e.g. M56 delivers 420hp with a 5.6 V8. BMW, Audi and AMG have been going the turbo route with smaller engines. e.g. latest 550i delivers 400hp (reported, actual is probably 430hp) from a 4.4 V8 with twin turbo. In fact the entire BMW line-up that competes against the next GS is based on turbos - 535i with a 345hp turbo Inline six, 550i with a 400hp twinturbo 4.4 V8, and an M5 with a 550hp 4.4 twin turbo V8 (as used in X6M).
I would like to see Lexus go for turbos too. Smaller lighter more efficient turbo engines is more consistent with Lexus's engineering values. In addition reviews of the new M56 say it isn't fun to drive as the M37 because the V8 doesn't rev freely and the car is heavy. A smaller twin turbo V8 would certainly deliver better performance. I would like to see the GS460 replacement add twin-turbos to the direct injection 4.6 V8 in the LS460 which should tune it to around 450hp. That would be a fun car. GSF can do same to the ISF engine.
Has anyone read anything to suggest Lexus is exploring turbos?
01-03-10, 06:06 PM
#20
I am not surprised to hear that the LFA engine will be used . Its funny to me that people think the engine in the LFA is that special. Its no more special than any other motor that produces the same type of power. Lexus needs to make up for some of the loss in producing the LFA. I know nothing is set in stone but we need to realize business is business and the LFA is fast but nothing that we havent seen before. Its just a V10 guys. They put them in the Viper ( with more power) and in the M5 for less than 100k.
a v10 that's smaller than a v6, titanium component, 9000rpm, 550+hp. wait, find me a car under 100k with those in there? until you can find one, your argument is as weak as one can get
i am not saying lfa engine is the best, i never think so and i never said so. but for someone to say it's just a v10 and just drop it in the gs and make it 90k? yeah sure, i sure do hope that day comes
no (need) further reply on this
01-03-10, 07:48 PM
#23
it again shows just how much you don't really know about the engine. "it's just a v10"? that sounds like a very childish statement. do you actually read into the engine spec or you just don't understand the meaning of those spec? either way it only tells me one thing...
a v10 that's smaller than a v6, titanium component, 9000rpm, 550+hp. wait, find me a car under 100k with those in there? until you can find one, your argument is as weak as one can get
a v10 that's smaller than a v6, titanium component, 9000rpm, 550+hp. wait, find me a car under 100k with those in there? until you can find one, your argument is as weak as one can get
I do think some elements of the technology in the LFA powertrain will make it into production cars. For instance the dry sump lubrication system, the advanced port-type fuel injection which outperforms a direct injection setup, the launch control system, and the TFT gauges.
01-03-10, 10:55 PM
#27
I would like to see the next gen. GS come with a couple of very powerful V8 engines. Maybe a 390 hp version of the 4.6 for the 460 model as well as a turbo charged version of the 4.6 V8 producing somewhere around 560 hp for the GS-F. No V10's for me.
01-03-10, 11:49 PM
#28
I do think some elements of the technology in the LFA powertrain will make it into production cars. For instance the dry sump lubrication system, the advanced port-type fuel injection which outperforms a direct injection setup, the launch control system, and the TFT gauges.
those, in the future, could prove to be "cost effectively" rather than kicking off a different research project on an item every time. if they build the gsf, and it's able to take advantage of some of the technologies in the lfa, that's already great news imho
01-04-10, 07:32 AM
#29
Aristo V300 Twin turbo! Why not under Lexus brand as well? Reliability is a cornerstone for Lexus reputation. Could it be that Lexus finds FI too risky?
It was not too long ago that BMW pledged not to use turbos saying that it is just a cheap and easy way to cut corners in product development to get more power. BMW has since introduced some of the finest (twin) turbo engines such as the one in 335 and 535....
It was not too long ago that BMW pledged not to use turbos saying that it is just a cheap and easy way to cut corners in product development to get more power. BMW has since introduced some of the finest (twin) turbo engines such as the one in 335 and 535....
01-04-10, 08:45 AM
#30
Aristo V300 Twin turbo! Why not under Lexus brand as well? Reliability is a cornerstone for Lexus reputation. Could it be that Lexus finds FI too risky?
It was not too long ago that BMW pledged not to use turbos saying that it is just a cheap and easy way to cut corners in product development to get more power. BMW has since introduced some of the finest (twin) turbo engines such as the one in 335 and 535....
It was not too long ago that BMW pledged not to use turbos saying that it is just a cheap and easy way to cut corners in product development to get more power. BMW has since introduced some of the finest (twin) turbo engines such as the one in 335 and 535....