"For example, the best Toyota Motor Company model in our reliability survey is the Lexus SC—its predicted reliability score is the second highest out of over 300 vehicles, but the worst is the Lexus GS (AWD), which scores in the bottom 10 percent, and receives a much worse than average rating, and is not recommended in our testing. While it is true that Lexus models tend to be reliable and test well, this is not the case for all Lexus vehicles."
Does anyone have the actual data points on this? I find it hard to believe that they would put the GS in the bottom 10% for reliability... despite rattles and brake squeals.
Its an AWD GS, the RWD GS has a better rating. As far as I remember, it has always been like that.
Yes, that's another thing that seeems to make no sense to me at all. Perhaps it's because there were more AWD sold than RWD, but I'm not aware of any 'serious' issues that would qualify any GS for a bottom 10% ranking.
It's total BS. According to them, the stereo system is completely unreliable on the AWD but perfect in the RWD...even though it is the same one. Same with the brakes and a few other things.
I actually posted this on their blog as a comment in a really polite way, yet they didn't approve the post. Go figure
Btw, according to them, only the GS 300 and 450h exist...from 2007 on.
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I think they have some spotty data on the GS since we don't see any more bad reliability reports on the AWD from owners. They may be talking about the vibrations some owners report. The 450h was rated the most reliable in the class last year.
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I used to subscibed the Consumer Reports and remember when they quit reccomending the AWD about 3 years ago. The problem with CR is that they do not re-test thing often enough and just re-print old test results over and over, year after year. They do it not only with cars, but with pretty much everything. That's why I don't read them anymore.
However, Lexus today is not what Lexus used to be. It is true.
I think they have some spotty data on the GS since we don't see any more bad reliability reports on the AWD from owners. They may be talking about the vibrations some owners report. The 450h was rated the most reliable in the class last year.
The vibration problem occurs when owners lowers their GS AWD, once the car is Mod, it should be counted in any reliability survey.
CR have been rating the GS350 AWD much below average for 3 years now and with no facts to back it up. The sad part is, they continue to print this garbage even when many readers have pointed out their mistake to them. To compound CR's stupidity, they repeatedly point out reason for the different rating between the GS AWD and RWD as components that both model shares.
CR have been rating the GS350 AWD much below average for 3 years now and with no facts to back it up. The sad part is, they continue to print this garbage even when many readers have pointed out their mistake to them. To compound CR's stupidity, they repeatedly point out reason for the different rating between the GS AWD and RWD as components that both model shares.
the ONLY place CR builds it reliability ratings is from people reporting issues that have purchased the car brand new - it has nothing to do with how CR tests a car.
sorry if you don't like the results.
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the ONLY place CR builds it reliability ratings is from people reporting issues that have purchased the car brand new - it has nothing to do with how CR tests a car.
sorry if you don't like the results.
I am sorry but isnt it CR's reponsiblity to make those survey and sample size as accurate as possible? That reponsibility should not be on the readers who do the survey.
I am not surprised with the dash rattles, brake noise,etc
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The worst report in Consumer Reports is for the Lexus GS (AWD), which scores in the bottom 10 percent, and receives a much worse than average rating, and is not recommended to be read. While it is true that Consumer Reports tend to be reliable and test well, this is not the case for all Consumer Reports reports.
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So what you are saying is that some sample size are only a 100 survey for a certain make and cars like Toyota and Lexus have probably surveys in the tens of thousands. That doesnt sound too accurate to me.
the problem with awd gs is the tranny, same as the es350, that's why it gets lower score. suspension vibration is not a problem, it doesn't happen to stock cars
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