Minor correction: configured similarly there is a bit less than $9,000 difference between the invoices for the 2009 350 and 450h. The 2009 450h (if one can find it) can be had at invoice right now. I ordered 2010 450h at $1,000 over invoice; I would bet that majority of 350 buyers would pay a lot more relative to invoice. But I agree with your general comment that it is still a significant price difference.
As far as 460 vs 450h, there's only about a $2,500 difference in invoices when similarly configured. And it might be harder to get a deal on the 460 than on the 450h.
I thought there's less room for negotiation on the 450h because they are hard to find to begin with?! Anyways no doubt if I were looking at a 460 then I'd probably get a 450h.
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Hmm,, if this car is the fastest after the IS-F, and has the best mpg, how come the sales of the hybrid are low compared to the regular GS?
Two reasons:
(1) People as a whole are stupid and ignorant. They see "hybrid" label and they assume it's has a Prius-type of uninspired performance. Lexus did very little to advertise this car and what it's really capable of, which I think is a huge mistake. In the three years I've owned the 450h I have met only ONE person who has both heard of this car and was aware of its capabilities.
(2) The car is fairly expensive. Not compared to BMW 550i, but because of point (1) very few 550i shoppers will look at GS 450h. Very few GS 350 shoppers will look at 450h because of the large cost differential. However, a lot of them don't realize that 450h base model includes a lot of features that are optional on the 350.
gs350 starts with aprox. 35k, 460 - 45k, 450h - 55k. So there is almost a 20k difference b/w a 350 and a 450h. HMM, id rather get an ISF which is almost the same price as a 450h
gs350 starts with aprox. 35k, 460 - 45k, 450h - 55k. So there is almost a 20k difference b/w a 350 and a 450h. HMM, id rather get an ISF which is almost the same price as a 450h
you can't compare 450h to IS-F that way (price), both are totally different cars, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
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where did i say that I am comparing 450h to isf? I said id rather purchase an isf than a 450h...
err.... i think that's exactly a comparison...?
there are people who would spend 70k to get a m3, but for the same price a lot more people would prefer to get a larger 5 series. but there is no point to that
and gs350 starts at 35k? i really wish that's the case. similarly equipped gs350 and gs450h are definitely NOT 20k apart
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Hmm,, if this car is the fastest after the IS-F, and has the best mpg, how come the sales of the hybrid are low compared to the regular GS?
One reason also not mentioned is the 450h was never a volume model. Only 2k for America and 5k worldwide. It was not meant to be a seller but a hybrid "halo" the first RWD luxury sport hybrid (and still is). There are still a lot of misconceptions with hybrids and to me, Lexus marketing hasn't been very good until the new HS ads of late. I still get asked "do you plug it in"
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Two reasons:
(1) People as a whole are stupid and ignorant. They see "hybrid" label and they assume it's has a Prius-type of uninspired performance. Lexus did very little to advertise this car and what it's really capable of, which I think is a huge mistake. In the three years I've owned the 450h I have met only ONE person who has both heard of this car and was aware of its capabilities.
(2) The car is fairly expensive. Not compared to BMW 550i, but because of point (1) very few 550i shoppers will look at GS 450h. Very few GS 350 shoppers will look at 450h because of the large cost differential. However, a lot of them don't realize that 450h base model includes a lot of features that are optional on the 350.
Good post.
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you can't compare 450h to IS-F that way (price), both are totally different cars, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
This is the truth. I've driven both at the track and they are completely different animals.
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gs350 starts with aprox. 35k, 460 - 45k, 450h - 55k. So there is almost a 20k difference b/w a 350 and a 450h. HMM, id rather get an ISF which is almost the same price as a 450h
Um... GS350 RWD starts at $45,000, AWD starts at $46,950, GS460 starts at $53,470, and GS450h starts at $56,550.
All data current on Lexus.com.
Where do you find a GS350 starting at $35k?!
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gs350 starts with aprox. 35k, 460 - 45k, 450h - 55k. So there is almost a 20k difference b/w a 350 and a 450h. HMM, id rather get an ISF which is almost the same price as a 450h
Rider, like someone pointed out your numbers are incorrect. The base 350 and 450h also have different set of standard equipment -- 450h has a couple thousand worth of extra stuff in it.
Does the 450h accelerate this quickly only if the battery is full? What if its half full? How to get it full?
Basiclly it charges while ure driving. The accelerating should be more quicker when at full battery. But then again the hybrids i drove for instance prius when u floor it off the line its turns gasoline engine on.
Does the 450h accelerate this quickly only if the battery is full? What if its half full? How to get it full?
as long as there are juice in the battery and you floor it, the electric motor will work it's way to deliver until it's dry
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The 450h comes standard with some items not seen on the 350. It comes with variable gear ratio steering, which is both convenient in parking lots and adds a lot to the emergency handling of the vehicle. It also comes standard with the variable suspension and is available with active roll bars that are not available on the 350. It is also a little bit less nose heavy as the battery in back results in 50:50 weight distribution.
As rominl was saying anywhere above 2 or 3 bars, the car performs at full power, though I have seen it have huge power above 6 bars. In the 6-8 bar range it will actually shut the engine off at highway speeds and power solely on electricity, of course any acceleration command causes the engine to come back on. At 2 bars, which is only really seen with lots of 20 MPH driving or spirited driving, you are basically left with a heavier 300hp car. It is left with a tiny bit of electrical power and its 292 hp gas engine.
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