4TehNguyen

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CTS interior space wise was really disappointing when i sat in one in person. GM Authority article showed it had the least rear space out of all its competitors. Backseats felt smaller than my 3IS but this car is suppose to compete with 5 and GS.

rominl

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same here, gsf interior is so much better

Atomic350F

I think you are spot on here with most new luxury car buyers are leasing and since they have a warranty they aren't quite as concerned withe the long term reliability or resale factors.. As long as the lease rates are attractive they can be driving a new car every couple of years to have the latest models with all the newest features, and issues would be covered by warranty and they would have a loaner as well if any issues arise.

I leased my 2015 F Sport, thinking there may be a strong possibility of purchasing it at the end of the term for long term ownership... only time will tell though..

Let's see when the 4GS V-8 swaps start pouring in on these pages, that may sway my future decision!

rominl

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the good thing is? lexus gs actually has very good lease rates compare to 5 and e class, so that's only beneficial to us

jtrue28

So a loaded up RC-F approaches $75K...which includes dynamic cruise control, leather seats, navigation, etc...

I just don't see any way that Lexus keeps a "well equipped" GS-F under $85K, unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong.

I would say I hope they keep those 20 spoke wheels that are on the RC-F very far away from the GS-F. God those things look awful.

rominl

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i could be wrong, but i think 75k car doesn't have the carbon / tvd option. someone can correct me

vtp86

Yeah, but at the end of the day you're still driving a Cadillac...

vtp86

Basically, I feel like Lexus owners are the hardest to target - on one hand we want the luxurious and comfortable interior that just relaxes you every time you sit in it, and on the other hand they are screaming at Lexus to bring up the hp.

A previous poster mentioned that the RC-F has more hp than the m3 and c63. That is correct, but at the end of the day it's power-to-weight ratio. The RC-F is hitting 0-60 in 4.2 seconds, while the m3 is still smoking those times with 3.9 seconds. For the c63, 3.4. Now, even though these cars are blazingly fast, I'd still take a Lexus RC-F 10 out of 10 times because they nailed it with the foam injected leather seats. Once I sat in the car, it's just so comfortable unlike any other type of seat before.

Using the power to weight ratio argument, since the GS-F is about 70 lbs lighter than the RC-F it can actually arguably go faster than 4.2 seconds in 0-60, and for a sedan that size the hp is more than plenty. Couple that with the body melting Lexus interior and I am sold!

FishBike

I will be very interested to see the final pricing for the GS-F. One reason I ended up going for the GS instead of some of the competing cars with more power, is that the more powerful versions of those cars are MUCH more expensive, so if they bring in the GS-F at a substantially lower price than what it's marketed against, it would be a realistic option for some people, where an M5 or whatever would not.

Also I think it's a wonderful time to be a car guy, where we can legitimately complain that a 467 horsepower sedan isn't powerful enough. Truly we are living in the 2nd golden age of horsepower!

rominl

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gsf is lighter than rcf?

Atomic350F

Great points here Fishbike! The GS is a lot of car for the buck, despite not having the largest hp figure on the block!! Lexus puts a lot into their cars, and the end results show in many aspects outside of specs on paper..

And yeahp, 467 hp is more than enough to get you to where you need to go in a quick like manner... we are getting spoiled nowadays, and its AWESOME!!!

Things keep going like this and we'll be complaining that a Corolla is ONLY 400hp in a couple years..

VSL-F

I am excited about the GS-F. I recently sold my ISF for a GS 350 F-sport last week because I needed a little more room, but I desperately miss my ISF. I'll stick with this GS for a couple of years, but absolutely will be in a GSF in the future.

vtp86

According to the press release of the GS-F, they were stating that the weight of the GS-F is in fact around 70-80 lbs lighter than the RC-F! Pretty awesome huh?

rominl

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interesting, do you have link to where that was mentioned?

here's the press release
http://www.lexus.com/concept/GSF/_pdf/theNextF-Jan6.pdf

gsf is 4034lb

rcf is 3958lb
http://www.lexus.com/models/RCF/specifications

and i suppose that's without tvd (standard on gsf), which would add 70lb making it 4028lb

fwiw, i do like the gsf being kept light. the rcf is just heavy

vtp86

My apologies, I got the numbers mixed up - I thought 3958 was GS F's curb weight! Nevertheless, I agree with you in that it's still a relatively light car for a sedan