SW17LS

I have the same reservations abut the styling, we'll have to see it in person.

dseag2

Is there something about the intelligence level and the wit of the members of CL that exceeds the other forums? I've been on BMW, Acura, Infiniti and Mercedes forums and they are just so dry.

natnut

My personal viewpoint : if the 560hp BMW M5 and the 467hp GS-F were both on sale for the same price, I would still get the GS-F.

Why?

Because personal experience tells me that the 4GS chassis is a driving enthusiast's wet dream irrespective of the motor shoved into it. Because the current F10 chassis of the BMW M5 is built on the 7 series and more geared for luxury and not handling

Because I'd use the car as a daily driver and 560hp on normal streets is meaningless in terms of daily driver driving experience--nimbleness, feeling as one with the car's chassis and steering inputs is far more important, traits the 4GS platform excels at.

What if hypothetically, someone were to offer to give me the choice of either getting a M5 or GS-F for free?

I'd take the brand new M5, sell it and use part of the proceeds to buy myself a spanking new GS-F.

Because I care more for the driving experience than comparing numbers on the internet.

ItzFilyO

This place will be dry without Steve here.

vtp86

I agree with this. Lexus is facing a huge identity crisis where on the one hand, they want a powerful car that can take on German cars, yet at the same time, they want a powerful car that has the signature Lexus comfort and quietness.

With this identity crisis, Lexus can come out as a HUGE winner if they can somehow get the quietness and smooth ride of their Modus Operandi, yet turn into a complete beast of an engine and tight handling of a sport car with a turn of a ****. The 4GS has done just that, and if they perfect that one day then buying a pure 100 percent sports sedan would just be moot.

What is all boils down to is this... almost everybody in this 26 page thread is comparing the GSF to other German cars, and competing against the M5. In actuality, Lexus is probably just competing for car buyers that want to be able to ride comfortably effortlessly with the turn of a ****.

Sorry for the long rant and if it was confusing, but it's 1:19 AM here and I'm about to hit the sack after a couple glasses of red wine haha.

ZbynekZ

Did you ever drove it? CT and luxury are words which can't be used in one sentence

LOL


For all:
It is so simple to undestand.
F Sports are like M packet / AMG optic / S line (more sporty look, more stiffness)
xx-F are like true M models / AMGs or S and RS Audis = high performace versions

Who don't want to understand won't understand.

HOWGH

webra

Thanks. Valid viewpoint. I feel it also depends on the segment. I personally won't neccesarily compare it to an M5. In a recent interview I read the NX chief designer already admitted that the ones who will buy German cars will continue to do so, and I could believe it.

But for this segment, of high performance cars, power is a valid criteria for comparison. Even without the M5 there are other stronger ones. So it's no surprise to me the discussion on this thread focused quite a bit on this. I notice that the Toyota 86, in all its guises, and with various best handling accolades to boot, is not doing very well sales wise. I wonder why? And they are not even that expensive to run, and has been winning car of the year, year after year, from different sources.

So could it be that acceleration is in fact a more accessible quality than handling for most as it's more often experienced, unless on ones daily commute there are lots more curves than straights?

JTMav

What they seem to be doing, to me anyways, is creating a car for Lexus legacy buyer the way they feel a Lexus enthusiast would want a high performance F Model Lexus to be. They feel thats an NA car...they feel that its an entire package car and not a car driven by stats...clearly.

I think you nailed it, couldn't agree more. I wonder what the ratio of BMW drivers turning to Lexus is compared to the other way? Having owned my fair share of Euros I cant see going back that way after enjoying the reliability this brand has delivered, especially now that they are producing a more driver oriented option.
JTMav

hacker_720

I agree that it would be nice to have the 500hp+ bragging rights, but I would rather pay less for the 'same' car with slightly less power.

This is my thoughts:
2GS430 (owned)- amazing car, almost perfect, needs the LS's interior and a better transmission
3GS460h (owned) - amazing car, too ahead of it's time, I want the LS600h's V8 in there please...
4GS350 (owned) - almost perfect, so close it hurts
IS-F (owned) - Oh wow - this is what I wanted all along, please please put this transmission and engine in the 4GS
GS-F - THANK YOU! Must start saving, this is it, the dream, everything I wanted.

ps. I don't care if the M3 / M5 / E63 is faster than my IS-F (or soon to be GS-F) have you driven / owned an IS-F?, you won't care either I promise.

SW17LS

LOL, not to worry I'm not going anywhere

Atomic350F

Lexus is not jut competing with everyone and getting caught up in the numbers war, they are trying to outdo them in every way you actually experience a "luxury sports sedan" (as they refer to it as, appropriately).

They are addressing all your senses when you get behind the wheel more so than just impressing the crowd with the biggest stats on paper.. be it for the daily commute, to a long distance road trip, to a run through the mountains or a day at the track wrapped up with enough space for a small family.

They may just have an automotive masterpiece on their hands here in this regard!!

1111GS

Nice observation... Take a look at this new picture posted in Car Chat. I think they flow. I never care for the HP (306 is plenty for me already) or other German guys. I was a bit disappointed when the full pictures were revealed, but the more I see (from different angles), the more I start to like this thing. Can't wait to see in person.

Hoovey689

iTrader: (16)

Hilarious and well said

djpeakSD

Maybe I have missed all of these conversations but Didn't I pay around 20k more for my GS Fsport over a IS Fsport, and all i got was a bit more more room and a bigger Navi screen?

SlangBlade

If that's how you feel, then you bought the wrong car. And you got ripped at the dealership.