rominl

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just like how isf looked like 40k is250 and rcf looks like 45k rc350? your last sentence makes no sense except trying to take a jab at other brands on whatever you can. it's like saying so unfortunate the ls600hl looks like a 60k ls460

sure lexus is free to set their own goal and make their own wishes if they want, no body is going to stop them. but i think it's a very cute thinking if their development of the f brand is not an attempt to compete against the germans. don't forget the isf was head to head against the m3 and the rcf is against the m4. and people (yes, that means majority) will compare the gsf against m5 and e63, as much as you might not like it to happen. i guess in your world most people are dreaming and you are the only one awake?

and you might actually wonder why most people and presses will compare the car against the m5 and e63. i bet it might have something to do with the badge. one can also take a wild guess what cars it would be compared to if it's called gs500.

keep in mind though, assume gsf will be in the 80s, it's right in line against the 550i, e550, and s6. hard to say where the edges are

TREE

I think the design is good looking being a current is f owner. Lexus is never going to go to the extremes that most of the Germans are doing or some of the American muscle cars now in regards to styling or performance. Look at all of the problems the high performance cars have with the reliability and Lexus has been pretty bullet proof in the reliability department. Most of us came to Lexus because we wanted the reliability of the car. If the performance is pushed too far in the engine everyone will complain about the reliability when they break down. I think the engine is given its maximum power to increase the reliability of the car. Some people want more power and some want more reliability and I think the F line is a great compromise of both.

sam430

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Well, the good news is, we will have interchangeable parts available for our regular GS.

rominl

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i actually think the setup in the isf back then and rcf are wonderful for what they are. great power, bullet proof reliability, and awesome sound. all while being very competitive in their segment (on paper more powerful than m3/m4 already).

to me the problem with gsf is they ran out of option and resources on more powerful setup. again if the 4gs chassis is so good, which i truly believe, that only means the car can handle more power. but that takes time and lexus is obviously not ready (they just released their first 200t turbo engine).

damtachoa

I'll definitely buy this car. Awesome.

TREE

I believe Lexus could get more power out of the engine. They increased it from 416 in the IS F to 467 in the RC F. They could get more out of it I believe and possibly even supercharge it but again the more power would likely reduce the reliability. Even looking at the LFA with 552 horsepower from a V10 is not extreme power compared to some other cars. I am definitely not an expert but believe they are trying to appeal to a wider range of people that want more power but also some piece of mind that their car will not always be in the shop.

BNR34

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If it is 600 hp, it would be $115k.................I don't think there would be peeps lining up to buy a $115k GS.

I don't even see a line for the M5 and E63................

RNM GS3

These are not volume cars...
Hell MB offers S63 and S65 AMGs - how many u think they sell???

These are the type of cars the make the brand special for regular buyers who one day hope to have an AMG Sclass.

RNM GS3

The more i think about it - this was an embarassing effort by Lexus.

What other automaker shares the EXACT same powertrain with a lower model in their lineup and calls it a PERFORMANCE MODEL???

Does M3/4 and M5 share engines? NO
ATS and CTS? NO
C63 and E63? NO
Same for Audi

I want the F brand to succeed but this will just continue to lower Lexus' reputation in the enthusiast community.

BNR34

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You are right.

Depends on how you look at it and everything is relative though. If you think of this as a GS500 F-Sport that compete against the E550 (402hp), 550i (445 hp), S6 (420 hp), CTS Vsport (420 hp), this 467 hp GS is the most powerful in it's class. They all indeed have the same price, except the Caddy.

I am just happy to have a GS that have the most powerful V8 that Lexus ever offer, by far. This thing is an awesome beater in the not too distant future.

tmf2004

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Awesome design and interior... Should have made it 500hp to compromise for the added weight and set itself apart from other models.. Well done Lexus....

jadu

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so awesome

TF109B

No one needs 600hp is a 4000lb car. When youre above 450hp, 500hp its bragging rights. The MT article lays it out for you. The GS350 F-Sport already out does those with 150hp more, why the need for all this extra power? Drag or stop light racing? Bragging about your 'power level'? Driving dynamics is what theyre after. People said the same about the LFA's power being 'only' 552hp while cars like the Ferrari 599 were over 600hp. Yeah, itd be nice if it was 500+hp, but its not.

rominl

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see, now you know what i am talking about. if today lexus put this as gs500 / gs500 f sport and price it around 80s? i think it's going to be a great winner over the other cars you mentioned. it's going to be so positive. the problem is now the car is put together with the other big dogs and suddenly things got skewed

Blackraven

This new GS500 F-sport looks fantastic.

Exterior is nice......and rear tail lamps look like they're from a concept car. Nice job on the design elements.

The thing is though, with only 467 HP, don't expect to outrun your neighbour's Jaguar XFR on the dragstrip anytime soon. As such, it would have to compete in a slightly lower segment held by the Audi S6, MB E500/E550 AMG Sport and BMW 550i M Sport.........and probably the Jag XF with the N/A 5.0 V8 (or base config Supercharged V8 version)