Snow Chain
12-18-13, 11:52 AM
#1
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Thread Starter
Snow Chain
Going up the mountain tomorrow and need snow cable just in case. Tire size 235/45/18.
The manual says that the maximum thickness of the side CHAIN and the cross CHAIN must be less then 3mm(.12inch) and 4mm(.16 inch) in diameter, respectively.
Are they only referring to CHAINS, not CABLES? You see most of the passenger snow traction products on the market are CABLES, not CHAINS and ALL CABLES WILL BE thicker than what lexus specified.
I'm trying to buy either of the two products below. Both meet class "S" specification. By the way, Pepboy has 20% of on all of their regularly priced items online until tomorrow. (code: Merry20)
http://www.pepboys.com/search/products/?term=sz339
http://www.pepboys.com/search/products/?term=sc1040
The manual says that the maximum thickness of the side CHAIN and the cross CHAIN must be less then 3mm(.12inch) and 4mm(.16 inch) in diameter, respectively.
Are they only referring to CHAINS, not CABLES? You see most of the passenger snow traction products on the market are CABLES, not CHAINS and ALL CABLES WILL BE thicker than what lexus specified.
I'm trying to buy either of the two products below. Both meet class "S" specification. By the way, Pepboy has 20% of on all of their regularly priced items online until tomorrow. (code: Merry20)
http://www.pepboys.com/search/products/?term=sz339
http://www.pepboys.com/search/products/?term=sc1040
12-18-13, 05:00 PM
#4
Lexus Fanatic
I probably would not use either of these chains on the Lexus. With the low profile tires, you're just asking for damage with these.
If I were going to use chains I would perhaps consider something like this:
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=367491_0_0_
Way more expensive, but I wouldn't risk screwing up a $60,000 car with a $40 set of chains.
If I were going to use chains I would perhaps consider something like this:
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=367491_0_0_
Way more expensive, but I wouldn't risk screwing up a $60,000 car with a $40 set of chains.
12-18-13, 05:32 PM
#5
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Thread Starter
I probably would not use either of these chains on the Lexus. With the low profile tires, you're just asking for damage with these.
If I were going to use chains I would perhaps consider something like this:
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=367491_0_0_
Way more expensive, but I wouldn't risk screwing up a $60,000 car with a $40 set of chains.
If I were going to use chains I would perhaps consider something like this:
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...er=367491_0_0_
Way more expensive, but I wouldn't risk screwing up a $60,000 car with a $40 set of chains.
I looked into the Thule cable ($500), but I thought it was too much considering I'll only use it once during the lease term.
12-18-13, 06:05 PM
#6
Lexus Fanatic
I have 18s. Sure, you "can use chains". That doesn't mean all chains are created equal, and that some cheap, one size fits all chains won't damage the wheels or the fenders of the car.
Its an expensive car, with low profile tires on expensive wheels. I think if you need to use chains from time to time, its reasonable to take some time to find a good, high quality set that is designed to be used on such a vehicle with low profile tires.
Note the wheels the chains you posted are displayed on, high sidewall truck tires. Note the wheels the chains I posted are displayed on...low profile high performance tires.
EDIT- Looking into the Michelin tire chains I posted...even they are not appropriate for bigger than a 17" wheel.
Its an expensive car, with low profile tires on expensive wheels. I think if you need to use chains from time to time, its reasonable to take some time to find a good, high quality set that is designed to be used on such a vehicle with low profile tires.
Note the wheels the chains you posted are displayed on, high sidewall truck tires. Note the wheels the chains I posted are displayed on...low profile high performance tires.
EDIT- Looking into the Michelin tire chains I posted...even they are not appropriate for bigger than a 17" wheel.
Last edited by SW17LS; 12-18-13 at 06:11 PM.
12-18-13, 06:32 PM
#7
Lexus Fanatic
Maybe look at these:
http://www.autosportcatalog.com/index.cfm?fa=p&pid=1046
They list the Z Chains, but they are sized for the proper wheel/tire application...
Your size is 235/45/18
http://www.autosportcatalog.com/index.cfm?fa=p&pid=1046
They list the Z Chains, but they are sized for the proper wheel/tire application...
Your size is 235/45/18
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12-18-13, 10:01 PM
#8
You guys actually have it backwards.
The cheapo cable chains are less damaging and wear and tear on your car then "real" chains. they aren't as beefy and so don't shake your car to bits.
They actually will run smoother then chain-link, especially if you are just going to be on CA DOT maintained roads, and not your own private unplowed snow covered driveways.
The problem is that the cheapness may fall apart, and/or will be a pain to take on/off especially with RWD where you cannot angle the wheel.
I do agree, if you intend to use these more than once, you should buy chains that offer easier installs. At least they need to be able to be put on without moving the car, and should have auto-tensioning/centering.
This will put you in the $100-$200 range.
On my Tahoe car (not a lexus), I use Thule cs-10 chains. Completely worth it.
The super expensive $500 ones that go on the hub... well, perhaps you should just rent an SUV instead.
The cheapo cable chains are less damaging and wear and tear on your car then "real" chains. they aren't as beefy and so don't shake your car to bits.
They actually will run smoother then chain-link, especially if you are just going to be on CA DOT maintained roads, and not your own private unplowed snow covered driveways.
The problem is that the cheapness may fall apart, and/or will be a pain to take on/off especially with RWD where you cannot angle the wheel.
I do agree, if you intend to use these more than once, you should buy chains that offer easier installs. At least they need to be able to be put on without moving the car, and should have auto-tensioning/centering.
This will put you in the $100-$200 range.
On my Tahoe car (not a lexus), I use Thule cs-10 chains. Completely worth it.
The super expensive $500 ones that go on the hub... well, perhaps you should just rent an SUV instead.
Last edited by raytseng; 12-18-13 at 10:10 PM.
12-18-13, 10:18 PM
#9
regarding the diameters measurements, the manual is talking about the diameter of the metal wire used to form the link, and that doesn't really map over well to what is the diameter of the entire link/cable; and what clearance is needed.
I think if you get any S-rated chain you will be fine. Heck, tire tread itself allows a range of 10/32->2/32=6mm in itself, so if you got more worn tires, that's some extra space right there.
I think if you get any S-rated chain you will be fine. Heck, tire tread itself allows a range of 10/32->2/32=6mm in itself, so if you got more worn tires, that's some extra space right there.
12-19-13, 05:03 AM
#11
well, perhaps you should just rent an SUV instead.
A vehicle with snow tires should be all you need for paved and compacted road surfaces.
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12-19-13, 05:28 AM
#12
sounds like a bad idea...
I'd settle for a car with snow tires... which is what i do from late december to march.
not sure what you are doing in the mountains, but our cars are low enough that it'll bottom out in any deep snow. no chains or snow tires will help you there...
if your car does get stuck... and snow mode / traction control doesn't work... turning the traction control completely off (park, traction off once, then hold again) and peeling out does the trick at times.
I'd settle for a car with snow tires... which is what i do from late december to march.
not sure what you are doing in the mountains, but our cars are low enough that it'll bottom out in any deep snow. no chains or snow tires will help you there...
if your car does get stuck... and snow mode / traction control doesn't work... turning the traction control completely off (park, traction off once, then hold again) and peeling out does the trick at times.
12-19-13, 07:05 AM
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12-19-13, 07:10 AM
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12-19-13, 08:18 AM
#15
If you're going skiing and on california riads, the road is going to be r1 or r2 chain chain controls.
Which means awd/4wd with at least an m-s tire with good tread, or regular car with some type of chain. Snows on 2wd don't meet requirements
Technically, the 4wd is also required to carry chains though.
CA roads will be shutdown before they require chains on 4wd at the checkpoint.
Some people who cheat will just glue or put on a magnetic awd badge. They may put on snows to get the winter perf. they need.
They will turn you back if you dont have chains on right or meet reqs. Also if you get into an accident or get stuck and its because you sneaked through or took off the chains early, chp will ticket you, tow truck will bill you a grip to get you out. And you may find your your insurance is also denied if you have damages.
Which means awd/4wd with at least an m-s tire with good tread, or regular car with some type of chain. Snows on 2wd don't meet requirements
Technically, the 4wd is also required to carry chains though.
CA roads will be shutdown before they require chains on 4wd at the checkpoint.
Some people who cheat will just glue or put on a magnetic awd badge. They may put on snows to get the winter perf. they need.
They will turn you back if you dont have chains on right or meet reqs. Also if you get into an accident or get stuck and its because you sneaked through or took off the chains early, chp will ticket you, tow truck will bill you a grip to get you out. And you may find your your insurance is also denied if you have damages.