GS vs new ES
02-26-12, 04:48 PM
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3GS did respectably well in its first 3 years:
2005: 33,457
2006: 27,390
2007: 23,381
2008: 15,759
2007-2008 is where the drop happened, about the time the ES went on sale, and the financial crisis took hold. I think a lot of buyers failed to see the GS as a compelling alternative to the ES. They should be better differentiated now with the 4GS.
2005: 33,457
2006: 27,390
2007: 23,381
2008: 15,759
2007-2008 is where the drop happened, about the time the ES went on sale, and the financial crisis took hold. I think a lot of buyers failed to see the GS as a compelling alternative to the ES. They should be better differentiated now with the 4GS.
What you and others are forgetting and what has been stated a billion times is this segment is not the same like it was in 2000 when there were only 3 serious competitors in the GS, E and 5. Today the entire segment is packed with fantastic vehicles. It is a tight battle. The 5/E are the status quo here, the default choice. The GS will never compete with their volume and Lexus just wants the GS to get their appropriate piece of the pie. This is no different than the RX dominating its segment and the Germans not coming close to selling like it and just want their piece of pie.
What is also not mentioned is Lexus 3GS lease residuals were crap and not attractive to lease compared to a 5 series or M35 that could be had for $399 etc a month. Lexus has now changed this strategy since the 4GS has much higher residuals for those that want to lease.
As for the other nitpicks, we can nitpick any car, none are perfect.The 3GS has opportunities, the 4GS has opportunities just like every car in this class has areas they could improve upon.
Just wanted to say I still love the Lexus products. That may not last forever. I love coupes. Because of my size, I actually need a coupe. I need lot's of legroom. Midsize sedans sometimes lack the room I need because they have to have enough backseat space to accomodate adults. Most coupes could care less about the back seat space.
It's also easier getting in and out out coupes because the door and door-space is more plentiful. I have scraped a hole in the material of my door getting my big butt in and out.
I really don't care about these sedans. As long as they make a nice coupe, I'll be okay. I do have to keep some interest for sedans because my wife will always have them. If she changes her mind about the new design, we may end up having one...but it has to get a little better looking.
Screw all this talk about ES's and GS's. Give me a coupe Lexus!
It's also easier getting in and out out coupes because the door and door-space is more plentiful. I have scraped a hole in the material of my door getting my big butt in and out.
I really don't care about these sedans. As long as they make a nice coupe, I'll be okay. I do have to keep some interest for sedans because my wife will always have them. If she changes her mind about the new design, we may end up having one...but it has to get a little better looking.
Screw all this talk about ES's and GS's. Give me a coupe Lexus!
Completely agree with a coupe!
Nothing wrong with going elsewhere. There are many car manufacturers with great reputations, and superior engineering heritage.
I was open to getting another V8 GS if they made it and offered a decent styling.
Once they announced the V6 only ugly duckling 4GS, I put my BMW 550i into production. And I am really happy with it. Lexus has never made a car of that calibre.
I was open to getting another V8 GS if they made it and offered a decent styling.
Once they announced the V6 only ugly duckling 4GS, I put my BMW 550i into production. And I am really happy with it. Lexus has never made a car of that calibre.
Some people want a sporting car in the GS and don't want a car based on the 7 series that has gone soft, even with the great V-8 option.
We are all so lucky to have such a great field of cars to chose from.
02-26-12, 05:06 PM
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BMW M chairman has stated that they really want to build a supercar along the likes of the Mercedes SLS and that they have what it takes to make such a car. However, according to him, the decision makes at the top are not thrilled with the idea because the engineers would have to prove that a supercar would be profitable to the brand. He said every car they propose must be able to make money. So it's not like BMW lacks the skills to make a supercar. Read the article below:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/259703/
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/259703/
02-26-12, 05:22 PM
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BMW M chairman has stated that they really want to build a supercar along the likes of the Mercedes SLS and that they have what it takes to make such a car. However, according to him, the decision makes at the top are not thrilled with the idea because the engineers would have to prove that a supercar would be profitable to the brand. He said every car they propose must be able to make money. So it's not like BMW lacks the skills to make a supercar. Read the article below:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/259703/
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/259703/
02-26-12, 07:48 PM
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Either way I don't really care, my next car will certainly be a Lexus, either GSF if they build it or ISF. I am through with BMW, when I retire my beloved E46 in two years, that will conclude my patronage to the marque.
02-27-12, 05:50 AM
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BMW M chairman has stated that they really want to build a supercar along the likes of the Mercedes SLS and that they have what it takes to make such a car. However, according to him, the decision makes at the top are not thrilled with the idea because the engineers would have to prove that a supercar would be profitable to the brand. He said every car they propose must be able to make money. So it's not like BMW lacks the skills to make a supercar. Read the article below:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/259703/
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/259703/
02-27-12, 08:57 PM
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Don't want to 'sound like a broken record', but IMO, the GS and ES are two different platforms with two different customer bases. Going on just pure looks alone, the GS is by far the better looking of the two cars. Exterior and Interior. IMO the ES appears 'bloated' and the front end is over-done. Keep in mind we're moving up the scale when get to the GS, so we 'generally' expect an overall better vehicle.
02-28-12, 10:03 PM
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Yes, and it is general problem that all cars are great. However after ownership you start to realize that something in your car sin't so great and it is sad because you can't return your car and get another one. So reading all these arguing is very helpful, because you can get information which you cant' get reading car spec or test driving it.
02-29-12, 01:22 AM
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They definitely won't drive the same. One is a RWD 5 series killer, the other is a FWD luxury people carrier.
02-29-12, 02:12 PM
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