LexFather

Lexus is also aware there is a market for people that want a super sedan Lexus even if its not the end all be all in regards to power. Even when the IS F debuted it was down on power to the C63 and the C63 offered a power pack as well.

There is a niche for this car from loyal Lexus customers to customers from other brands that may want a more involving drive with less hp and surely some of the best reliability offered.

It is super exciting to see the pics of this car being tested and that it is coming soon!

NewSpace

+1

No offense, but the endless horsepower debate is a little silly.

praetor

That's what #1 is. R&D on these concept and super cars often trickle down the technology down to other models. There was a time when ABS, Airbags, traction control, ...etc was only available on the high end luxury cars. Now they are all standard.

But in the end, if the car doesn't sell, Lexus ain't building it.

rominl

iTrader: (4)

with the above bold points i think it's more thane enough to conclude that we are on different planets so i don't think this needs to go anywhere else any further

i don't know how e60 m5 is a classic already, actually some people think e39 m5 was purer. so?

if you ever remotely think doing this market segment is about selling volume, my goodness you are in such a wrong discussion. this super sedan segment is NEVER about volume. bmw and mb never sell big volumes on their m and amg either. this segment is about "competing" and "showcasing", bringing volume into the talk is strike one.

gsf is not targeting m5 and e63 but instead m3? i am floored i don't even know what to say. mid-size vs compact-size? strike two.

sigh, twin turbo v8 again. why, why? i thought i said it specifically already that FI is not really needed to get what some people what. but it's so hard to convey that idea i suppose... strike three.

it's ok, it is what it is. let's just move on. i have made my points and i think everyone else has. we will see how it comes and what it does to lexus. lfa is all about driving in that special market and we all know how well it sells. maybe the gsf will come out as the best car ever putting m5, rs6, and e63 to shame, and it sells like a hot cake too. to be honest i would be so happy if that happens and gladly admit i was wrong. but i am just so afraid that anything i said became true and the car can't help to boost the brand image and prestige status. when that happens i can already see what the defensive arguments are going to be

as a car lover (and not a loyal brand fan) i completely agree and why i am happy with lexus direction in general

but your statement, that's very close to how lexus positioned with the lfa back then, isn't it? i will leave it at that

madfast

i want the same things as everyone else but there is no point talking about it if its not likely to happen.

not the car itself, but the formula and the philosophy behind the car. the new M5 is getting further and further away from that. imo lexus should NOT follow.

i agree and that's exactly why lexus looks at the germans and says its not worth it to try and match them. the LFA did all the showcasing for them already. lexus has nothing to gain from making a super sedan. however, a modest GSF with the 450+ hp 5L V8 is simply the V8 GS we all asked for. they will make it look more aggressive and add in some more performance bits and there you go, GSF. the main point is that it doesnt have to match the M5. it can be its own car. a high performance version of the GS350 independent of whatever the germans do.

this is just my personal opinion. i understand its out there. imo its all about consolidation. BMW can afford to have a million models. lexus wont. not cant, but wont. imo they dont want to make so many F models because they are niche cars. the coupe of the F cars will be the RCF and the sedan will be the GSF.

not you, but others have consistently mentioned the TS650 engine as a possible GSF engine and i find that absurd. that's the only reason why i keep going back to that. as for your idea of a 500 hp V8? that would be great. id love to see it. but will it happen? realistically though imo they will save the money and just use the RCF engine as is.

imo lexus doesnt care as much as the fans when it comes to matching the germans. they do their own thing and sell a lot of cars. if it makes sense they will go after the germans, see the RCF as an example. but just because they compete in one segment doesnt mean they will in ALL segments. if that were true where is the RX F? its their best selling model in the US, why not go after the X5 M and ML AMG? maybe cuz it doesnt make sense? the same goes for the GSF. the germans can have that segment. the GSF will instead put the 550i/S6/E550 to shame. maybe thats not what the fans want but its what's going to make lexus money. prestige? the LFA did that and the LF-LC will continue that.

Blackraven

No offense dude.............but I stopped reading the rest of your post the moment you mentioned that.

You may be entitled to your own belief but in the real world (and especially in ANY automotive enthusiast circle), that kind of statement is just dead wrong.

Sorry mate......

BNR34

iTrader: (1)

You guys are all wrong, the GS-F is targeting the Acura RLX SH-AWD!!

madfast

if you think about it, its not so far fetched. both are sedans, RWD, 450+ hp, about 80k well equipped? the only thing that's obviously different is the size.

Blackraven

Maybe so.........but the cars they're based on compete in different segments.

You're comparing a C-segment vehicle with a D-segment car.

tankton

Maybe the best thing is to explain it in simpler terms - Audi S6 competitor.

dgsvt

Pricing seems to be too high to be an s6 competitor at 80-85k

NewSpace

I'll throw some more fuel on the fire: Tesla Model S P85 competitor.

BarrettF77

Saw a Tesla Model S 85 yesterday. Owner came out as I was walking in and had nothing but good things to say about the vehicle.

I also a couple days back visited my new Lexus dealership that just opened a couple weeks ago. Very nice inside. While there, I attempted to small talk one of the sales staff about this subject. Almost seemed offended at the notion of a GS-F. I find it interesting how Lexus is going through a change in its demographic as the older market they used to focus on is now shifting to a younger generation. Personally, looking at all the other brands out there with Hondas trying to look like Audis and BMWs trying to look like Infinitis and so on, the vehicles are looking more bland and I applaud the stand out nature that the F line is trying to employ.

2ndxAround

Ladies and gentleman, Please be advise that cadillac has already drop a twin turbo v-6 in there new XTS!!! The folks at Lexus better do something fast. 1st, 556hp-cts-v now a twin turbo v-6!!! http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/...o_v6_vspo.html

Sal Collaziano

Just throwing in my two cents. Lexus did a nice job with the IS-F and it was a competitive car. Competitive with the M3, C63 and RS4. I think it'll be a shame if they don't do the same with the GS-F and keep it within close proximity with the M5, E63, RS6 and CTS-V.

Lexus does decide what "F" means but they gave us a direction with the IS-F. It looks to me they're going in another direction with the GS-F.