4GS mega thread (UPDATED; preview drives, specs, more interior pics)
12-09-09, 02:12 PM
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I believe Lexus will upgrade the GSh to Lithium-ion batteries which cost more. Trunk space is too important in the luxury sector for the hybrid to be only the upmarket engine option (outside of the F). Even with improved packaging the GSh would still have less space than a standard GS.
and then mentions "your trunk is so much smaller than mine".To which I remind her in a pleasant way your entire car sucks with its huge trunk.
12-09-09, 02:44 PM
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I would figure Lexus would use a larger engine then the 2.5 as a base engine in the next GS since it is sluggish in the smaller lighter IS and may not have enough power for a car like a GS. A 3 liter tuned to around 260hp would be perfect for the IS and GS, 2.5 just seems a bit small unless it is hybrid or FI.
A hybrid GS that uses a smaller engine and focuses on fuel economy instead of power is a smart idea also. Aside from using the 250 as the base engine I think the Motor Trend information looks pretty good if its true.
12-09-09, 03:05 PM
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The more important question is: When will Lexus introduce a proper diesel GS for Europe?
Hybrids are incredibly expensive here and are often overlooked in favor of vehicles with smaller diesel engines that get roughly similar fuel economy - and are cheaper to purchase in the first place. A smaller hybrid GS will most likely still lack the popularity and reputation of its diesel-engined German rivals.
It would be a good idea to make the GS roomier inside, too.
Hybrids are incredibly expensive here and are often overlooked in favor of vehicles with smaller diesel engines that get roughly similar fuel economy - and are cheaper to purchase in the first place. A smaller hybrid GS will most likely still lack the popularity and reputation of its diesel-engined German rivals.
It would be a good idea to make the GS roomier inside, too.
12-09-09, 03:06 PM
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12-09-09, 03:48 PM
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The more important question is: When will Lexus introduce a proper diesel GS for Europe?
Hybrids are incredibly expensive here and are often overlooked in favor of vehicles with smaller diesel engines that get roughly similar fuel economy - and are cheaper to purchase in the first place. A smaller hybrid GS will most likely still lack the popularity and reputation of its diesel-engined German rivals.
It would be a good idea to make the GS roomier inside, too.
Hybrids are incredibly expensive here and are often overlooked in favor of vehicles with smaller diesel engines that get roughly similar fuel economy - and are cheaper to purchase in the first place. A smaller hybrid GS will most likely still lack the popularity and reputation of its diesel-engined German rivals.
It would be a good idea to make the GS roomier inside, too.
Expect more smaller hybrids with better price tags and space utilization. RX400/450h is by far the best selling Lexus model in Europe.
12-09-09, 04:40 PM
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I would figure Lexus would use a larger engine then the 2.5 as a base engine in the next GS since it is sluggish in the smaller lighter IS and may not have enough power for a car like a GS. A 3 liter tuned to around 260hp would be perfect for the IS and GS, 2.5 just seems a bit small unless it is hybrid or FI.
A 2.5L hybrid would make sense in the IS and GS lines, though of course I would hope that they would still offer the 450h. A 2.5L hybrid would also make sense in the front driver ES and RX.
12-09-09, 04:56 PM
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They should supercharge it and give it some actualy torque while maintaining fuel efficiency.
A 2.5L hybrid would make sense in the IS and GS lines, though of course I would hope that they would still offer the 450h. A 2.5L hybrid would also make sense in the front driver ES and RX.
A 2.5L hybrid would make sense in the IS and GS lines, though of course I would hope that they would still offer the 450h. A 2.5L hybrid would also make sense in the front driver ES and RX.
12-09-09, 05:19 PM
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The v6 in the GS is quicker then the v8s right now so I don't see a big reason to pay all the extra money to get the slower v8 aside for more down low torque. I never really see 3rd gen GSs430 and have never seen a GS460, they are all 350s. If the GS350 is the quicker version and the one the majority wants and buys then I think it is a smart move to focus on that car and leave the v8 for a high performance model. If a 350 has 330hp and has a 5 sec or sub 5 sec 0-60 while getting decent fuel economy I doubt many are going to be complaining of no normal v8 version. The days of v8s available like they are now or were and hp wars are pretty much over with increasing sCAFE standards and a poor economy that is barely recovering. We will be seeing even more v8s replaced by 6 cylinders and 6 cylinders replaced by turbo/hybrid/diesel 4 cylinders. It is already happening.
I would figure Lexus would use a larger engine then the 2.5 as a base engine in the next GS since it is sluggish in the smaller lighter IS and may not have enough power for a car like a GS. A 3 liter tuned to around 260hp would be perfect for the IS and GS, 2.5 just seems a bit small unless it is hybrid or FI.
A hybrid GS that uses a smaller engine and focuses on fuel economy instead of power is a smart idea also. Aside from using the 250 as the base engine I think the Motor Trend information looks pretty good if its true.
I would figure Lexus would use a larger engine then the 2.5 as a base engine in the next GS since it is sluggish in the smaller lighter IS and may not have enough power for a car like a GS. A 3 liter tuned to around 260hp would be perfect for the IS and GS, 2.5 just seems a bit small unless it is hybrid or FI.
A hybrid GS that uses a smaller engine and focuses on fuel economy instead of power is a smart idea also. Aside from using the 250 as the base engine I think the Motor Trend information looks pretty good if its true.
V-8s are not going anywhere, people still want them. No turbo or S/C V-6 can have the smoothness of a V-8.
The luxury market has been DEFINED by the V-8.
Not to mention once a carmaker balances offering V-8s with fuel efficient engines like I-4s...well the MPG average should be fine.
Not offering a V-8 is simply LAME. Period.
12-09-09, 05:39 PM
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Case in point, my ISF is EPA rated at 16 CITY, 23 HWY but I average well above that amount. The best mileage I've ever gotten is 28mpg on the highway. I average 23-24mpg mixed city/hwy consistently. Despite being a 5.0L V8 with 416hp, it is one fuel efficient Lexus and beats the M3 and C63 AMG by not having a gas guzzler tax added to it's price tag.
12-09-09, 05:58 PM
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Case in point, my ISF is EPA rated at 16 CITY, 23 HWY but I average well above that amount. The best mileage I've ever gotten is 28mpg on the highway. I average 23-24mpg mixed city/hwy consistently. Despite being a 5.0L V8 with 416hp, it is one fuel efficient Lexus and beats the M3 and C63 AMG by not having a gas guzzler tax added to it's price tag.
Funny but the IS-F gets what 18 MPG average with 416hp. The GS 430 with 300hp gets 18 MPG.
The V-8 will live on and become better than ever.
