JZS147 swap thread
01-28-07, 02:13 PM
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JZS147 swap thread
What to consider when doing a swap on a first gen GS300. First thing is to make sure you have enough money to do this project. Expect to pay anywhere from $3000 to $6000 depending on how elaborate you are going to get with upgrades. Yes I know your buddy has a motor set for $1800 yada yada yada. There are some other parts that I would not start this project without. Before we get into parts lets talk about some things you should do before getting to deep. Once you get your motorset, check out those turbo compressors to see if there is any pools of oil in them. If so, consider them bad and be proactive. I recommend a compression leak down test but if all you have is a compression tester use it. Nothing sucks worse than installing a crappy motor. You will need to jump the starter to do this. There is a nut on the inside of the starter and a small harness that plugs into the starter right next to it. You will need to jumper both of these with 12v to get this to kick over. Do I need to remind you to ground the battery to the motorset? This is a dead cold engine and will have lower numbers than you will be expecting. It should be between 125–165. Now for the parts list. This is only if you are sticking with the twins.
1. Supra TT water pump is a must. The Aristo has a funky hydro fan that runs off the water pump. Can you re use the hydro pump? Sure, but if it breaks you are SOL. To put on a water pump you need to tear down the front of the motor past the timing belt so it’s best to do it out of the car. $ 130
2. Timing belt. You are already in there for the water pump so might as well. Line up the crank mark to 0 and there are two marks on the cams that will line up with two small indentation in the black metal surrounding the cams. If all that lines up you are at top dead center. $35
3. Supra throttle cable. A must have if you want to drive it. Put this in while the motor is out. $40
4. Valve cover gaskets. I did it because it’s easier out of the car. Don’t over torque those or you will crack one like I did. I was able to have my buddy tig it and it doesn’t leak. I got lucky. $20
5. Motor mounts. Lexus has fluid filled motor mounts that are almost always crap by the time you do a motor swap. Do yourself a favor and get them ahead of time or else you will have a show stopper without one. $100 a piece.
6. Upper intake manifold gasket. You need to drill and tap the intake manifold with a 3/8 hose barb for a vacuum line fitting for the brakes. The Aristo has hydro brakes and no you don’t want them. You have to remove the manifold to drill and tap obviously so make sure you wash it out good with parts cleaner to avoid shavings. $10
7. Wire and shrink wrap. You will need to at a minimum extend the wires for the cabin harness. About 75 wires 20 inches. About 125 ft of wire. $15 I did not extend the ECU harness as I was able to stretch it far enough to rest under the black cover on the floor, just not in it’s ‘home’ location. I suggest removing the brackets and attaching a ground cable to the ECU as the brackets were most likely the ground for the ECU. I did.
8. Oil filter and oil. I used NAPA brand for the first oil change. Made in the Valvoline factory and only about $1.30 a qt. I suggest changing the oil after a couple hundred miles as you don’t know what the last guy did with that motor.
9. If you don’t have an Aristo drive shaft you may need to swap the 3 pronged bracket off your GE trans to the GTE trans to use your GS driveshaft. If the rubber coupling between the trans and shaft is cracking, replace it. It will destroy itself under more torque if it’s already dry. Check the rear rubber coupling at the diff while you’re at it. $250 a piece.
10. I recommend the OEM fans. I have two electric 14" Zirgos on my car. I use them both as pullers with the additional A/C fan in the front. Still runs too hot for my liking and I will likely switch back to the clutch fan soon.
11. Trans cooler. GTE transmissions don’t like to overheat, then again what trans does. I picked up a small B&M trans cooler and placed it on the other side of my puller fan on the thermostat. $70
12. Spark plugs. Don’t rely on the plugs that came with the clip. I run NGK 6097 and I gap them down to about .026 ish. They will spread a little bit so I figure it’s better to start smaller gap. $12
13. Fuel pump. I made 325 rwhp on the stock fuel pump and no sign of running out. How long will it last like that I don't know.
14. Greddy BCC. If you plan on going over 11psi you will need a boost cut controller. This is a voltage clamp that goes inline with your map sensor. If you need a wiring pin out look up the directions for an APEXi AFC JZS147. $60
15. Supra radiator. Your current upper radiator hose is exactly where the pipe comes into the throttle body. Change radiators or try to find some funky hose that may fit but not look right.
Things you should know. The stock map sensor does not read absolute boost accurately. Once you get over 13psi the resolution is awful. I used my AFC to read pressure and it pegged at 14psi on a regular boost gauge but said 1.22 bar on the AFC. 1.22 bar is about 18psi. I got just under 400 rwhp with the stock map sensor before it’s to lean to go any further. You will need to do another work around if you want more than 400 rwhp. But then again the stock trans is only good to 450 rwhp realistically and the stock turbos will only do 350 efficiently. To put it bluntly, if you want more than 400 rear wheels it will cost you.
The only guage in the dash that will not work will be the tachometer. There is a work around for this on clubna-t.com but I havn’t had time to try it. Please add all other ideas, tip suggestions to this thread.
1. Supra TT water pump is a must. The Aristo has a funky hydro fan that runs off the water pump. Can you re use the hydro pump? Sure, but if it breaks you are SOL. To put on a water pump you need to tear down the front of the motor past the timing belt so it’s best to do it out of the car. $ 130
2. Timing belt. You are already in there for the water pump so might as well. Line up the crank mark to 0 and there are two marks on the cams that will line up with two small indentation in the black metal surrounding the cams. If all that lines up you are at top dead center. $35
3. Supra throttle cable. A must have if you want to drive it. Put this in while the motor is out. $40
4. Valve cover gaskets. I did it because it’s easier out of the car. Don’t over torque those or you will crack one like I did. I was able to have my buddy tig it and it doesn’t leak. I got lucky. $20
5. Motor mounts. Lexus has fluid filled motor mounts that are almost always crap by the time you do a motor swap. Do yourself a favor and get them ahead of time or else you will have a show stopper without one. $100 a piece.
6. Upper intake manifold gasket. You need to drill and tap the intake manifold with a 3/8 hose barb for a vacuum line fitting for the brakes. The Aristo has hydro brakes and no you don’t want them. You have to remove the manifold to drill and tap obviously so make sure you wash it out good with parts cleaner to avoid shavings. $10
7. Wire and shrink wrap. You will need to at a minimum extend the wires for the cabin harness. About 75 wires 20 inches. About 125 ft of wire. $15 I did not extend the ECU harness as I was able to stretch it far enough to rest under the black cover on the floor, just not in it’s ‘home’ location. I suggest removing the brackets and attaching a ground cable to the ECU as the brackets were most likely the ground for the ECU. I did.
8. Oil filter and oil. I used NAPA brand for the first oil change. Made in the Valvoline factory and only about $1.30 a qt. I suggest changing the oil after a couple hundred miles as you don’t know what the last guy did with that motor.
9. If you don’t have an Aristo drive shaft you may need to swap the 3 pronged bracket off your GE trans to the GTE trans to use your GS driveshaft. If the rubber coupling between the trans and shaft is cracking, replace it. It will destroy itself under more torque if it’s already dry. Check the rear rubber coupling at the diff while you’re at it. $250 a piece.
10. I recommend the OEM fans. I have two electric 14" Zirgos on my car. I use them both as pullers with the additional A/C fan in the front. Still runs too hot for my liking and I will likely switch back to the clutch fan soon.
11. Trans cooler. GTE transmissions don’t like to overheat, then again what trans does. I picked up a small B&M trans cooler and placed it on the other side of my puller fan on the thermostat. $70
12. Spark plugs. Don’t rely on the plugs that came with the clip. I run NGK 6097 and I gap them down to about .026 ish. They will spread a little bit so I figure it’s better to start smaller gap. $12
13. Fuel pump. I made 325 rwhp on the stock fuel pump and no sign of running out. How long will it last like that I don't know.
14. Greddy BCC. If you plan on going over 11psi you will need a boost cut controller. This is a voltage clamp that goes inline with your map sensor. If you need a wiring pin out look up the directions for an APEXi AFC JZS147. $60
15. Supra radiator. Your current upper radiator hose is exactly where the pipe comes into the throttle body. Change radiators or try to find some funky hose that may fit but not look right.
Things you should know. The stock map sensor does not read absolute boost accurately. Once you get over 13psi the resolution is awful. I used my AFC to read pressure and it pegged at 14psi on a regular boost gauge but said 1.22 bar on the AFC. 1.22 bar is about 18psi. I got just under 400 rwhp with the stock map sensor before it’s to lean to go any further. You will need to do another work around if you want more than 400 rwhp. But then again the stock trans is only good to 450 rwhp realistically and the stock turbos will only do 350 efficiently. To put it bluntly, if you want more than 400 rear wheels it will cost you.
The only guage in the dash that will not work will be the tachometer. There is a work around for this on clubna-t.com but I havn’t had time to try it. Please add all other ideas, tip suggestions to this thread.
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01-28-07, 02:31 PM
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Oh yeah I almost forgot. The GE power steering reservoir is a non usable item with this swap. You will either need to modify your GE or get the Aristo one. It mounts to the driverside shock tower and feeds the pump remotely.
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excelnt info.
GTE power steering its the same as the MKIV pump and reservoir.
also, I recommend replacing all hoses too and get worm screw like clamps too.
01-30-07, 03:33 PM
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A frequent question is can I use Supra mounts. Yes you can but I believe they need to be 97+ and you will need to drill out the holes in the crossmemeber to make them fit. They will lower the engine about .25 inches.
The differences between the Aristo and the USDM Supra are:
Aristo uses high impedence 440's and the Supra uses low impedence 550's. The 440's have actually be flow tested by a few guys and they come out to be 480's.
The twin turbos on the Aristo will flow less than the Supra even though they are slightly larger. Expect 350 wheels from the Aristo and low 400's on a full BPU Supra set up.
Waterpump obviously.
The USDM intake cam has 9 more degrees of duration. It's a good swap that you can pick up pretty cheap. All the gains will be above 4500 rpms. With cam gears expect a solid 20 rwhp pick up. The exhaust cam is the same duration on both.
The oil pan on the Aristo has a front sump pick up and the Supra has a rear. A dead give away on a visual inspection.
The downpipe flange off the Aristo turbos will not directly link up to a supra downpipe without modification. You can't just pick up a downpipe off ebay and have it fit.
The differences between the Aristo and the USDM Supra are:
Aristo uses high impedence 440's and the Supra uses low impedence 550's. The 440's have actually be flow tested by a few guys and they come out to be 480's.
The twin turbos on the Aristo will flow less than the Supra even though they are slightly larger. Expect 350 wheels from the Aristo and low 400's on a full BPU Supra set up.
Waterpump obviously.
The USDM intake cam has 9 more degrees of duration. It's a good swap that you can pick up pretty cheap. All the gains will be above 4500 rpms. With cam gears expect a solid 20 rwhp pick up. The exhaust cam is the same duration on both.
The oil pan on the Aristo has a front sump pick up and the Supra has a rear. A dead give away on a visual inspection.
The downpipe flange off the Aristo turbos will not directly link up to a supra downpipe without modification. You can't just pick up a downpipe off ebay and have it fit.
01-31-07, 01:22 PM
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Excellent thread. What can you do to bypass the 1 bar factory map ?
Im fully building my motor right now and will be running the emanage. But plan on running as much as 26psi on my T-67.
Im fully building my motor right now and will be running the emanage. But plan on running as much as 26psi on my T-67.
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To bypass the factory map you need to purchase a Greddy Boost Cut Controller(BCC) for about $65. The part number SW-20 and is specific for MR2's but work on 2JZ-GTE's. What it is basically is a voltage clamp. It will only allow the map to reach the designated voltage which you will set under the boost cut. You need a multi-meter to dial it in correctly. Attach the wire going to the ECU to the positive end of the multi-meter, I think it was green. The black to ground and the red and white signal wire to the battery. Inside the case there is a dial that you can turn to adjust the voltage. The UK supra guys tell me that you can dial it to just under 4.4v.
01-31-07, 03:33 PM
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To bypass the factory map you need to purchase a Greddy Boost Cut Controller(BCC) for about $65. The part number SW-20 and is specific for MR2's but work on 2JZ-GTE's. What it is basically is a voltage clamp. It will only allow the map to reach the designated voltage which you will set under the boost cut. You need a multi-meter to dial it in correctly. Attach the wire going to the ECU to the positive end of the multi-meter, I think it was green. The black to ground and the red and white signal wire to the battery. Inside the case there is a dial that you can turn to adjust the voltage. The UK supra guys tell me that you can dial it to just under 4.4v.
I have a SLD that came with the clip too, dont know if ill need it or not.
01-31-07, 08:46 PM
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Yes, you will need the SLD to exceed 118mph.
Good thing you have the emanage already.. Chris and I have been talking to the UK guys for a while on the MAP situation. Seems the resolution runs out at 1.25bar or about 18psi.. above that the map sensor voltage is maxed. Now the Greddy BCC is cool and all, but if you want to run over 18 psi on the JDm ecu, there is no mapping for the timing or fuel curve up there, since the stock sensor is maxed anyway beyond that.. you could be running 25psi and the engine is still using the timing and fuel mapping for only 18. Hence you take over for the stock ecu in the upper levels with the Emanage.
Or just get a Power FC like I will be doing when I get that far.
Good thing you have the emanage already.. Chris and I have been talking to the UK guys for a while on the MAP situation. Seems the resolution runs out at 1.25bar or about 18psi.. above that the map sensor voltage is maxed. Now the Greddy BCC is cool and all, but if you want to run over 18 psi on the JDm ecu, there is no mapping for the timing or fuel curve up there, since the stock sensor is maxed anyway beyond that.. you could be running 25psi and the engine is still using the timing and fuel mapping for only 18. Hence you take over for the stock ecu in the upper levels with the Emanage.
Or just get a Power FC like I will be doing when I get that far.
01-31-07, 10:21 PM
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Yes, you will need the SLD to exceed 118mph.
Good thing you have the emanage already.. Chris and I have been talking to the UK guys for a while on the MAP situation. Seems the resolution runs out at 1.25bar or about 18psi.. above that the map sensor voltage is maxed. Now the Greddy BCC is cool and all, but if you want to run over 18 psi on the JDm ecu, there is no mapping for the timing or fuel curve up there, since the stock sensor is maxed anyway beyond that.. you could be running 25psi and the engine is still using the timing and fuel mapping for only 18. Hence you take over for the stock ecu in the upper levels with the Emanage.
Or just get a Power FC like I will be doing when I get that far.
Good thing you have the emanage already.. Chris and I have been talking to the UK guys for a while on the MAP situation. Seems the resolution runs out at 1.25bar or about 18psi.. above that the map sensor voltage is maxed. Now the Greddy BCC is cool and all, but if you want to run over 18 psi on the JDm ecu, there is no mapping for the timing or fuel curve up there, since the stock sensor is maxed anyway beyond that.. you could be running 25psi and the engine is still using the timing and fuel mapping for only 18. Hence you take over for the stock ecu in the upper levels with the Emanage.
Or just get a Power FC like I will be doing when I get that far.
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I'm looking at the mapecu or the new mapecu2 that controls timing, boost and host of other things. I have had no luck with Greddy and their tech support is non existant.
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BTW if using the stock turbos on an Aristo swap you will need to bang the fire wall back about an inch. It's right where the heater core is but fortunately it's positioned in behind the firewall at an angle so it can be done without damaging it.
02-15-07, 05:34 PM
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I forget sometimes how lucky we are in Australia!
Although you guys in the States manage to get these cool cars first, we are eventually allowed to import the HOT JDM's and not worry about engine transplants etc.
Also the RHD, LHD thing must be a pain at times.
Chris
Although you guys in the States manage to get these cool cars first, we are eventually allowed to import the HOT JDM's and not worry about engine transplants etc.
Also the RHD, LHD thing must be a pain at times.
Chris
